Off Topic Politics Thread

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----HistoryRepeating---- said:
Why are you so for it? What have you to gain?
I see five years of instability at a time things look dodgy anyway.
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Archers Road said:
You remind me of a conversation I had in a bar in Lille over 30 years ago. Having ascertained that I didn't think much of my country's then PM, the assembled company of grizzled French proletarians nodded sagely, as one of them asserted "Ca marche pas, une femme pour la chef". Subsequent events suggest he may have been right, but a wider reading of history suggests we Brits do like a strong woman in charge - from Boudicea through Elizabeth I to Madame Handbag.
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I should of course have used blue text.
 
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----HistoryRepeating---- said:
Not long now and rather than rudderless, we'll be leaderless.
Into the void.
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When she promises to her MPs in that meeting before the vote that she would not stay on to fight the next election, did she realise that next election might be in a couple of months time? Or was she being vague about this meaning "I will leave before 2022?" There will be a lot of questions again in a couple of months if circumstances go the way some forecast!! Will her "immunity" count when her vote was won from this vague statement?
 
The stark contrast.

Corbyn loses VOC by something like 40 - 172. Goes to the members who overwhelmingly support him.
May wins VOC and thus stops it going to the members who overwhelmingly want her out.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
This surely has to be the most farcical government in history.

At least in the past, governments had conviction in their mistakes. I just don’t have a clue what this rabble are trying to do any more :emoticon-0136-giggl
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Worse than Trump's, Mugabe's, Venezuela's etc. etc
 
ImpSaint said:
What makes you think we have been told the "important details" since?
We have been told the EU would bargain hard. We already knew that.
We have been told that mega business doesn't want X and Y. We already knew that.
We have been told of recessions, job losses, house prices crashing. We already got told that.
We have been told that 80m people viewed leave adverts and from that 800,000 changed their mind to remain.....errrm. by a Professor from Oxford whose own historical research into this would've meant the calculations would actually amount to less than 8,000 even if all of the were remainers and persuaded to change to leave.

Everything that we are now told as fact, is not fact, it is forecasting and predictions............that they forecasted and predicted before anyway. They are just repeating and ramping up what they said before.

the only thing we do know now that we didn't know before is that our government (and all the others that say they respect the referendum) had and have no intention of doing what they said they would do. And that those outside of the government seats want to paint the government's refusal to actually try to deliver as meaning it was impossible.

We know no more now than we did back then other than there are apparently 80m eligible voters in this country. Just that "experts" are still foisting their dire warnings on us that we ignored the first time round and that Lord Adonis' twitter feed makes my posting rate look like snail paced.

And we have a PM that goes into her 1922 committee meeting and starts her address at 6pm with............."Good morning."
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Don't confuse what people knew and what you assumed.

My mum is still pissed at the leave vote because she almost voted leave for the NHS funds. Despite having been on the fence she complains about them more than i do when we talk politics now.
 
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May is in an even worse position than she was before the vote. She now knows that more than a third of her parliamentary party will never support her, except to keep themselves in government. This isn’t healthy for democracy.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
May is in an even worse position than she was before the vote. She now knows that more than a third of her parliamentary party will never support her, except to keep themselves in government. This isn’t healthy for democracy.
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To be fair Chilcs, isn’t that what happens whoever is in power during a Party squabble? They all fight until self preservation kicks in. In that aspect, they’re all the bloody same.
 
fatletiss said:
To be fair Chilcs, isn’t that what happens whoever is in power during a Party squabble? They all fight until self preservation kicks in. In that aspect, they’re all the bloody same.
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I’m thinking back to John Major, who resigned as party leader in 1995 while PM, to force a leadership election which he won comfortably. He managed to stay in power without a parliamentary majority until the General Election became due in 1997. Blair of course then won with a landslide, but Major had managed to keep his party behind him for nearly 2 years.

I can’t see Theresa doing the same thing I’m afraid.
 
She needs support to get her deal through parliament and can't be kicked out by the Brexiteers in her own party. She needs support to get her deal though parliament and won't be pm at next election anyway.

Maybe hold a referendum to try and get a mandate? Win win for a remain supportimg pm who created the deal.

Just saying :bandit:
 
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