Fracking stopped again, after another tremor, this one being the strongest at 1.1
Why don’t they just accept that it isn’t safe?
Why don’t they just accept that it isn’t safe?
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Budget cuts now mean around 20% of police forces will not go after drivers that drive off without paying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-ignoring-fuel-thieves-face-budget-cuts.html
Budget cuts now mean around 20% of police forces will not go after drivers that drive off without paying.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-ignoring-fuel-thieves-face-budget-cuts.html
It’s completely unbelievable that anyone can justify the continuation of fracking after yet another tremor. Utter and complete madness.
The magnitude scale is logarithmic, so it doesn't behave in an intuitive way. Each increase of magnitude 1 means the released energy increases by roughly 32 times. A move from 1.1 to 3.1 would be a 998-fold increase in energy released.
I've sat through a 4.4 magnitude quake (in Manchester). It was a noticeable rumble, very much like a heavy lorry passing by, nothing more. A 1.1 quake is 89,000 times less powerful than a 4.4 quake. Wikipedia describes them as "Microearthquakes, not felt, or felt rarely. Recorded by seismographs"
A 2.9 quake is described by Wikipedia as "Felt slightly by some people". A 2.9 quake is 500 times stronger than a 1.1 quake.
So I'm afraid I have to disagree that a 1.1 quake is in any way "not safe".
By all means disagree with fracking for any reason you like but seismic safety really isn't one of them.
Vin
I was tiling the bathroom balancing on the edge of the bath on the tiled wall while working a few years ago when there was an earthquake which allegedly was 5.2.
Lost my balance and fell in the bath. As much surprise and thinking I must've hit a pipe or something as the shake but definitely noticeable.
I don't think it is really a question of numbers and scaling if it is safe or not. If there were no tremors before and now there are while fracking then doesn't sound wise to me.
Seismic activity of that magnitude isn't a safety concern, certainly. Oklahoma has had earthquakes of a magnitude capable of doing real damage, though, and it's generally accepted to have been the result of wastewater injection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–18_Oklahoma_earthquake_swarms
Just listened to two students talking about the budget and how for all their living memory they have witnessed financial insecurity.
Not hard to see why the Conservatives are struggling to win over young people.
Not hard to see why the Conservatives are struggling to win over young people.
Every month my personal budget used to include plans for me winning the lottery, without which the overall picture did not look rosy.
The win never materialised, but I am still here and have so far avoided bankruptcy, so maybe Big Phil is onto something.
every month I check my bank account. Well, I've spent nothing this month so I must be quids in! wtf?
I always have a rough figure in my head which is meant to equate to what is in my current account; if I just halve that figure it’s usually about right
Just playing devil's advocate but..............2students aged? 18-21? How long is living memory? Can they remember that much of what was going on (first hand accounts) in any detail before the age of 11-12?
To be quite honest I am not surprised that students have witnessed financial insecurity for all their living memory seeing as their living memory most likely encompasses the beginning of the credit crunch, financial crisis, global recession etc.
Bit of a "stock" soundbite if you ask me.
That is the whole point. They have nothing to compare the last decade to.
I was 18 when Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979, and 30 when she was finally deposed in 1990. Which meant my whole adult life to that point was lived under the shadow of the most divisive PM in post war British history.
Funny thing was, I was walking across Waterloo Bridge looking towards the Houses of Parliament at the very moment Tory MPs were voting on her future - a strange feeling being so close to history in the making.
I have always looked at you as closer to history than me... 
I have always looked at you as closer to history than me...
I’m sure our best years are still ahead of us both Fats
And in "pigs cannot fly" shock news,
Public wrong on key facts around Brexit and impact of EU membership
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/public-wrong-key-facts-around-brexit-and-impact-eu-membership
One nugget (though it's worth reading in its entirety)
£350m claim: Two-thirds of the public (67%) have heard of the claim that the UK sends £350m a week to the EU, and 42% of these believe it is true, despite it being labelled a “misuse of statistics” by the UK Statistics Authority.
Which belies the idea that people were well-informed when they voted. And they still believe the £350 million lie. The one we're told no-one believed. Or voted on. That lie. You know the one. Didn't influence anyone. People knew it was false. That's the one they still believe. Yes, that particular lie. The one that didn't matter. They they didn't believe. The one they now do believe. But they didn't when they voted. That's the lie I mean. The one that's believed.
Vin
Public wrong on key facts around Brexit and impact of EU membership
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/public-wrong-key-facts-around-brexit-and-impact-eu-membership
One nugget (though it's worth reading in its entirety)
£350m claim: Two-thirds of the public (67%) have heard of the claim that the UK sends £350m a week to the EU, and 42% of these believe it is true, despite it being labelled a “misuse of statistics” by the UK Statistics Authority.
Which belies the idea that people were well-informed when they voted. And they still believe the £350 million lie. The one we're told no-one believed. Or voted on. That lie. You know the one. Didn't influence anyone. People knew it was false. That's the one they still believe. Yes, that particular lie. The one that didn't matter. They they didn't believe. The one they now do believe. But they didn't when they voted. That's the lie I mean. The one that's believed.
Vin
