Bloody hell Godders. I did not have you down as an old punk rocker. Always thought you'd be more Beethoven than Chuck Berry.
I agree with you that Greece has had a very rough deal from the ECB and the IMF. Yet Greece's radical anti austerity govt was united in it's determination to remain within the EU, presumably because they recognise that even in their extreme circumstances the positives of EU membership outweigh the negatives.
This is what scares me with people (not you beefy). Those people who will vote for who they "like"... This is about voting for what's right for the country, not your favourite party. We have a party based government today but that could be a different party in 4 years time.
The thing is that it's Cameron (Tory), Corbin (Labour), Farron (Lib Dem), Bennett (Green), Sturgeon (SNP) and Wood (Plaid Cymru) all saying stay in so party politics shouldn't be an issue.
So do any inner's have a response to the articles/videos that i posted about? Or is it just a whole conspiracy mumbo jumbo and not factual or maybe it just isn't a concern of yours in which case staying in is probably better for yourselves?
I think that whatever the result of the referendum vote, we will see both the Conservatives and Labour break up over the next few years. The fallout from the internal arguments in both parties will probably result in the "leavers" and "remainers" being unable to work with each other any more.
No chance, they will soon get over the fact that were arguing as they all get aboard the gravy train again
Both parties have always been coalitions, in Labour's case between the social democrats and the idealogical socialists, in the Tories case between the free market right and the socially conservative right. Nothing has really changed in that regard, except that the fault lines are currently showing in both cases. If we had proportional representation in this country both parties would have fragmented years ago, but our first past the post system prevents that from happening as it is electoral suicide - witness what happened to the SDP, who split from Labour in the 80s but couldn't survive on their own and had to merge with the Liberals.
Maybe after they have had a leadership fight or two, but not straight away. They all have another 3-4 years falling out before they need to put on that united front.
Boris criticising Obama for saying the UK should stay in. (on the face of it, perfectly fine) He's said that Obama's Kenyan heritage probably means he is anti-British which is why he's advising against leaving the EU. Boris, there are many much better arguments to make than that one.
lol that bumbling baffoon. Such a clown. Anyway my ears still haven't seen any counter arguments to my earlier post
Good grief he didn't think that through! Things like that don't help the leave campaign's cause. They need to come up with better responses preferably with some sort of facts attached.
I will counter that claim. I only found figures for a few years. Last year was 10 million votes in the final, 2013 had ~15 million and 2010 had ~15 millon. In the last GE the conservatives 11.3m people voted for the tories so it's pretty closely run. Not factually incorrect. He doesn't mention every year, but just about every year. Anyway i think the point was that people don't really care.
It is typical of the Boris Johnson from several years back, before he became more widely known. I thought he'd got over making obviously ridiculous statements like that these days. But apparently not. Just shows the depth of his thought processes. Nice-ish bumbling bloke who is actually quite intelligent, but far too capable of making political faux-pas. Politically, anything he represents I question rather suspiciously.
