I would be intrigued who is going to sit in thr Reform cabinet. They have no one with experience. I am imagining a cabinet of Dolly the Sheep type clones of Farage
Keep imagining Ian, because a Reform Government will never happen. Reform might get two seats in Hampshire - Portsmouth North and Southampton Bitterne. In fact I will say they will get zero seats in Hampshire.
Voices of the left? I don't hear any of them saying that. I am aware that there are some isolated regions in England where second and third generation immigrant communities live segregated lives, but I'm not aware of any voices of the left saying this is a good thing. Unless you mean George Galloway, who is a colossal unprincipled dickhead...
There are only two red lines, in my leftist opinion, which political discussion of immigration should not cross; one is that immigrant communities should not be demonised for political gain, and two is that repatriation of law abiding immigrants who have settled and built lives here ,should be out of the question. What we are seeing at the moment in our political discourse is shocking because these reasonable limits are no longer respected.
The other iniquitous aspect of FTPT is the wasted votes. If a candidate wins 75,000 votes in a turnout of 80,000, most of the votes for that candidate are wasted. It would be far better if the “excess” votes went towards a national poll for additional seats for the party. No idea how that would work, but anything is better than FPTP.
If that were true he would have been banned for personal insults which I wouldn't defend. But he wasn't, it was for "lowering the level of debate". However popular that move was with his oppos, it was a stitch up. His comments about bench pressing, London falling or for that matter low testosterone (my favourite) were a bit eccentric but so what? Hardly a crime. Insulting only to the very thinned skinned or someone pretending to be offended. They certainly weren't breaking the rules or merited a ban. Posters didn't stop engaging with him, they took him on and couldn't cope when he refused to roll over. Let's face it, hardly anyone from whatever side of the argument concedes anything and hardly anyone wants to debate. It's gone way past that point and I include myself in that and have good reasons for it. I've answered you only because you seem reasonable without making hysterical accusations, unlike some who I generally ignore. Os has a confrontational style and it rubbed some people up the wrong way. I'm not saying he is innocent of that but he was not tolerated like some others because of his right wing opinions. What I am saying is he was removed because it suited those who oppose his views and it was a dirty trick. I made my views known at the time and I've repeated them only because Jasper asked why he was banned. I don't expect to persuade anyone to think it was wrong but people who like to spout about being kind, inclusive and tolerant need to be reminded from time to time, of their hypocrisy.
Can I ask when the last time you heard the words ‘kind’, ‘inclusive’ or ‘tolerant’ from anybody on this board? The constant strawmanning you drop yourself down to is a little desperate.
