Off Topic Politics Thread

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It'sOnlyAGame said:
This ruling is a new low and says more about you than Osvaldorama. Not only do you allow posters to break the rules with personal insults but join in too. Banning him because "he had ruined the level of debate" is a poor joke. There are more than one or two posters from the other camp that could be levied at but seem to escape sanction. If I have to read the level of debate that StJabbo and loading produce every single day then I'm sure you can all put up with Osvaldorama's efforts.

The level of debate is poor because you and others can't deal with conflicting, unpopular opinions. Despite what you and like minded posters may want the politics thread is not about a happy little clique looking for "consensus", it is (or should be) also about others having their say without being censored.

You all complain about him but you continually bait him into replying, even when he's not online. You talk about him constantly between yourselves, quite often with insults and piss takes. Nothing wrong with that but you can't then expect him to not reply, and in the same manner. And what he posts about is not up to you to decide.
In the last week alone, there have been 15 different posters who have made comments to Osvldorama or about him, a bit strange coming from those who want him ignored.

Banning him for his unpopular views is more childish than the pathetic boycott you tried a few weeks back.
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Hold on. What’s wrong with my level of debate, Mr Post N Run?
 
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It'sOnlyAGame said:
This ruling is a new low and says more about you than Osvaldorama. Not only do you allow posters to break the rules with personal insults but join in too. Banning him because "he had ruined the level of debate" is a poor joke. There are more than one or two posters from the other camp that could be levied at but seem to escape sanction. If I have to read the level of debate that StJabbo and loading produce every single day then I'm sure you can all put up with Osvaldorama's efforts.

The level of debate is poor because you and others can't deal with conflicting, unpopular opinions. Despite what you and like minded posters may want the politics thread is not about a happy little clique looking for "consensus", it is (or should be) also about others having their say without being censored.

You all complain about him but you continually bait him into replying, even when he's not online. You talk about him constantly between yourselves, quite often with insults and piss takes. Nothing wrong with that but you can't then expect him to not reply, and in the same manner. And what he posts about is not up to you to decide.
In the last week alone, there have been 15 different posters who have made comments to Osvldorama or about him, a bit strange coming from those who want him ignored.

Banning him for his unpopular views is more childish than the pathetic boycott you tried a few weeks back.
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Thank you for your comprehensive reply. I disagree with you on this, but you are entitled to your opinion.
 
It'sOnlyAGame said:
This ruling is a new low and says more about you than Osvaldorama. Not only do you allow posters to break the rules with personal insults but join in too. Banning him because "he had ruined the level of debate" is a poor joke. There are more than one or two posters from the other camp that could be levied at but seem to escape sanction. If I have to read the level of debate that StJabbo and loading produce every single day then I'm sure you can all put up with Osvaldorama's efforts.

The level of debate is poor because you and others can't deal with conflicting, unpopular opinions. Despite what you and like minded posters may want the politics thread is not about a happy little clique looking for "consensus", it is (or should be) also about others having their say without being censored.

You all complain about him but you continually bait him into replying, even when he's not online. You talk about him constantly between yourselves, quite often with insults and piss takes. Nothing wrong with that but you can't then expect him to not reply, and in the same manner. And what he posts about is not up to you to decide.
In the last week alone, there have been 15 different posters who have made comments to Osvldorama or about him, a bit strange coming from those who want him ignored.

Banning him for his unpopular views is more childish than the pathetic boycott you tried a few weeks back.
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I disagree with a lot of this. It is the manner that he posts not his views do much. I disagree with a lot of your views (and agree with a lot), but I have never been told “I am right” by you or that we are all dumb. It is a difference of opinion, not a forcing of opinion.
 
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LincolnSaint said:
Why piss off one culture when you can piss off two? That's pretty far right mate....
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In fairness, when I make a bolognese, I always make from scratch (no tins or jars) and use my mother’s recipe from her mum in Naples (it’s different trust me). I do have to add chillies to make it spicy though and think of my mum would be looking at me over the top of her glasses and tutting.
 
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thereisonlyoneno7 said:
In fairness, when I make a bolognese, I always make from scratch (no tins or jars) and use my mother’s recipe from her mum in Naples (it’s different trust me). I do have to add chillies to make it spicy though and think of my mum would be looking at me over the top of her glasses and tutting.
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Mrs Lincoln took me to Rome a few years back. She's really really good at planning these sort of jaunts and found a restaurant well away from the tourist areas. I had this pasta dish made with homemade spicy sausage with a tomato sauce and to this day its the best thing I've ever eaten. I could genuinely cry knowing I'll never get to try it for the first time again. I'll think about that place on my death bed.
 
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LincolnSaint said:
Mrs Lincoln took me to Rome a few years back. She's really really good at planning these sort of jaunts and found a restaurant well away from the tourist areas. I had this pasta dish made with homemade spicy sausage with a tomato sauce and to this day its the best thing I've ever eaten. I could genuinely cry knowing I'll never get to try it for the first time again. I'll think about that place on my death bed.
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My Aunty’s cooking is to die for. If you ever go to Torre Annunciatia in Naples let me know as she will have anyone over for dinner!

Edit to get back on topic, Italy seems to be leaning more right nowadays.
 
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I am not sure about Os. My wife is a Filipina and i have found some of his / her comments offensive. There was no debate as Os never engaged. I agree that a number of us ridiculed Os and that was what made this thread amusing. Shame he took things too far but Os's delivery of his perspective lost him a lot of respect.
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
I am not sure about Os. My wife is a Filipina and i have found some of his / her comments offensive. There was no debate as Os never engaged. I agree that a number of us ridiculed Os and that was what made this thread amusing. Shame he took things too far but Os's delivery of his perspective lost him a lot of respect.
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Suspect your wife might have been impacted by that awful goings on in Canada. Give her a hug tonight mate.
 
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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Suspect your wife might have been impacted by that awful goings on in Canada. Give her a hug tonight mate.
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Thanks very much.

Only heard about it this evening. Seems like it was a mental health issue. We have been out at Butser Ancient Farm which has recently been refurbished.


I did not know it was Lapu Lapu day.
 
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I never post on this thread. On many occasions I have deleted responses before posting. I did post not long ago about how there is pretty much a ‘manual’ online for taking over debate and spreading these extreme views. As a lurker it was increasingly obvious that Os was taking over the thread for whatever reasons. He has very strong and very unhealthy need to bait people and to feel a victim. Unfortunately I think this will be a victory and a vindication to him which is just another part of the manifesto and just serves to drive the cycle. Free speech isn’t the right to say anything anywhere at any time. Os can go stand on a street corner and yell whatever likes, he has that freedom. But he can’t jump up on the tables in the pub or at a town hall meeting or any other place that discussions and debates might happen between groups of people and not expect to be thrown out. Debate isn’t just what you think it’s how you say it, how many times you say it, when you say it and why you’re saying it. That’s real life and we shouldn’t treat these online forums as anything different.

As an amendment, my personal opinion is that Ian Thumwood is right and the board has become a politics group with a side of football. What that does is sow division amongst the group and the football discussion would be better for having no politics current affairs or religion allowed. If this thread were not here it would be one less place for people to fall apart from each other, this would not have happened, people would not have felt outraged or attacked and Os might have been spared ostracism (no pun intended)
 
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SaintinNZ said:
I never post on this thread. On many occasions I have deleted responses before posting. I did post not long ago about how there is pretty much a ‘manual’ online for taking over debate and spreading these extreme views. As a lurker it was increasingly obvious that Os was taking over the thread for whatever reasons. He has very strong and very unhealthy need to bait people and to feel a victim. Unfortunately I think this will be a victory and a vindication to him which is just another part of the manifesto and just serves to drive the cycle. Free speech isn’t the right to say anything anywhere at any time. Os can go stand on a street corner and yell whatever likes, he has that freedom. But he can’t jump up on the tables in the pub or at a town hall meeting or any other place that discussions and debates might happen between groups of people and not expect to be thrown out. Debate isn’t just what you think it’s how you say it, how many times you say it, when you say it and why you’re saying it. That’s real life and we shouldn’t treat these online forums as anything different.

As an amendment, my personal opinion is that Ian Thumwood is right and the board has become a politics group with a side of football. What that does is sow division amongst the group and the football discussion would be better for having no politics current affairs or religion allowed. If this thread were not here it would be one less place for people to fall apart from each other, this would not have happened, people would not have felt outraged or attacked and Os might have been spared ostracism (no pun intended)
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Nail on the head
 
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