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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

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    Head…….brick wall…… and bangng spring to mind…….starting to feel this person may be doing it to get deliberate just to get reactions.
     
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  2. Shandy_top_89

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    Not at all, hes trying to stoke violence here. It was plain last year.

    If he cared he wouldn't be talking about civil war, suggesting the country should be invaded and the government overthrown.

    Realistically we are going to try and go the path of least resistance with him, but he is bad for us.

    No ally of the UK has ever freely used this rhetoric towards us before, he is a threat and we should treat him as such. I'm no Farage fan, but I would sooner trust him than Musk.

    I genuinely see Elon Musk as someone who wishes those who don't comply with his will harm.

    He should never be allowed to set foot in this country again.

    Note - I don't say this for anyone I dislike, I'm no Trump fan but I have no problem with us trying to work with him for example.
     
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  3. Puck

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    Nonsense. Anyone with any ability to interpret statements can tell the civil war comment was a warning about what he thinks will happen in future. I don't think he's right (largely because the British public isn't armed in the way Americans are) but that's very obviously what that was about.

    His comments about invading and overthrowing the government are very obviously a joke. They belong in the same category as the jokes about the Queen revoking the declaration of independence and taking over the USA again that went around the internet during the legal mess that followed the Bush-Gore Presidential election.
     
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  4. Shandy_top_89

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    Yeah, hilarious. Clearly a guy who tries to elevate Tommy Robinson, alleges our PM is complicit in mass rape and uses his platform to try and undermine democracy and threaten others is a guy to be trusted.

    I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.

    I simply think we have to be very wary of him.
     
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  5. Osvaldorama

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  6. Osvaldorama

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    Don’t be so sensitive. You guys make Trump jokes all the time
     
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  7. It'sOnlyAGame

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    Labour have issued a TikTok video to launch their new campaign. The right wing press have called it bonkers (as they would) and it is a bit weird but uses AI and is quite inventive. Complete with a bit of rap? for a sound track, something for everyone, can't go wrong.

    https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/6t9LIgyy

    I'll just translate those lyrics so I can get a feel of the message they're sending from the Labour publicity team.

    https://www.lyricsvyrics.com/montagem-coral-lyrics-translation-in-english/

    Oops, someone not doing their job properly. Great timing.
     
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  8. Shandy_top_89

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    To be fair I actually have less of a problem with Trump than Musk.

    At least someone voted for him and there are ways of placating him.
     
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  9. It'sOnlyAGame

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    Can a mod get a ban for being abusive or are they exempt?
     
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  10. Osvaldorama

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    What a ridiculous post <laugh> come on.

    He’s messing about, he doesn’t want to actually invade. You can’t be serious?
     
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  11. Osvaldorama

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    Yep, archers, loading etc would have been banned long ago when they said lockdowns would cause no harm and that Joe Biden was mentally sound
     
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  12. Puck

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    please log in to view this image
     
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  13. LincolnSaint

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    I'm not sure if I'll regret this post later but I want to try and clear some stuff up from my experience.

    Firstly I want to clearly and unequivocally state that CSE is awful. Absolutely horrendous, and those found guilty of it should spend the rest of their lives imprisoned.

    However this talking point that it was deliberately and wilfully ignored as well as completely covered up to maintain community cohesion doesn't bear any resemblance to what I've seen.

    Firstly almost all initial contact with those victims comes from them being reported as a missing person first. In most of these cases the girls would have been reported missing from a care home or foster carer. The police would then attend, take a missing person report and try and find the child. This is by no means as easy as it sounds. More often than not this would be the child returning of their own volition, some days later. Then the police would be called again to "sight" the missing person and try and find out where they had been and what they had been up to. A lot of children in care already have a very, very negative view of the police from either the family circumstances which resulted in them being placed in to care, or from their own behaviour which had already resulted in contact with the police. Due to this the amount of evidence that could be collected from these children was minimal as the stock response to any question is usually "**** off."

    More on these care homes later.....

    Most of the disclosures would more than likely be made to the police by other adults in the child's life I.e. teachers or social workers, people that these victims trusted. This would then follow a mad scramble of trying to persuade the child to give a statement. When it's totally ingrained in you from a very early age that the police are the enemy and to never ever grass that's difficult, never mind the mental affects of the actual grooming which had already taken place on these damaged kids.

    These girls were not being snatched off the streets, they were groomed over a long period of time, given gifts (probably for the first time in their lives) and told they were loved and adored (also sadly for the first time in their lives) As it progressed into what these kids thought was sex, when it was in fact statutory rape, these animals then blackmailed the kids and they were exposed to hideous treatment and passed around the gang with threats and violence.

    I've read lots of stories on twitter about victims being ignored by the police and cover ups to protect Asian communities. My reply to that is that the police are beaten with the racism stick at every opportunity. The MacPherson report, the Casey report and many others all accuse the police of being institutionally racist and yet when presented with a golden opportunity to lock up half of the Asians in Rotherham, GMP decided they'd had enough racism for now? They'd used their quota? I'm genuinely not making light of this because it's ****ing awful, but both positions can't be true.

    Are we saying these police officers are not mother's? Not fathers? There's very little which would motivate officers more than locking up those who hurt children. I cannot imagine for one second an edict being put down from up high saying to ignore it for the sake of community cohesion because, senior officer or not, they'd be told to **** off.

    Back to these care homes. When children are taken into care and they're not small, more often than not they'll be placed in care homes. A lot of these kids over the age of 9 are already so damaged by ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) that foster placements seldom last. Most, if not all of these care homes are run privately. . Depending on the level of risk of the child these can be charged to the council at ****ing 1000s per child per week. It's really big business. A lot of these care homes will be resourced on a skeletal staffing by carers just about on minimum wage trying to keep multiple kids safe. Most will have a policy of not going hands on and will literally watch these kids walk our of the door. There is no care, no love and no effort put into keeping these kids safe. I've seen it written into care plans that staff are to watch them leave and then report to the police. Is it any wonder they end up in these situations? With predators literally waiting outside in their car?

    I know I'm slightly younger than some on here, but as a teenager in the 90s I remember girls of about 14 having "boyfriends" in their 20s. They were all white. This has always gone on. In all communities. These predators look for vulnerability, not colour.

    Now I've never worked in Rotherham, Telford or Bradford so I cannot say for sure what happened 100%, I just wanted to add more information than some of the stuff I've seen on twitter. And if my experiences are wrong and it was deliberately ignored those officers are a ****ing disgrace to the uniform and warrant card.
     
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  14. Osvaldorama

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    Unfortunately it was deliberately ignored by those higher up. They hid the report and ignored the police:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...gs-scandal-cover-up-oldham-telford-rotherham/

    Councillors etc. deliberately covered up what was happening:

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  15. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Thank you for lending this some real life knowledge and experience. There’s an awful lot that everyone could learn from waiting to hear from people that actually know what they’re talking about, from us here, to egotistical billionaires on a power trip.
     
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  16. Osvaldorama

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    Would you agree that musk talking about it has given it more media attention than it would otherwise have gotten?
     
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    Of course it has.
     
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  18. LincolnSaint

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    Yeah, but none of your jokes are funny Os.
     
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  20. Shandy_top_89

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    Obviously I don't expect we are going to have the US invade, but its all a continuation of him disrespecting this country, manipulating people and trying to stoke division.

    What he does it for I don't really know, sometimes I think there is some 5D chess at play, sometimes I think hes just bored/high.

    Its bad for us though.
     
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