Off Topic Politics Thread

My response in a nutshell ...

Calling the working classes racist won’t win their votes

Are the middle classes less racist?
They hold the key to the doors to the top jobs which are dominated by Old White Men

The Labour Party need to be more working class to represent the working class but modern politics isn’t so class based anyway

Modern Socialism isn’t based on Marx and Trotsky

‘Liberalism’ is used to describe so many different things in different contexts now that it’s lost all meaning. I think ‘Progressive’ has taken over the meaning I use it for, but I’m not sure there is a common definition of any political ideas these days

 

Get Out is good film featuring a lovely liberal non-racist family

 

Those were the things I wanted to say but I got lost in the race thing. People are so ignorant if the working class and their lives it just makes me shake my head.

 

Haha yes that is a good film. That big house. Typical racist poor folk

 

One more because I missed out the main point. Nobody is less racist IN REALITY than the working class. They live right on top of all the other races. I grew up in St Mary's. I had black, polish and Asian neighbours. As I got richer I moved to richer areas and saw fewer and fewer people who were different. The more I moved the move race seemed like an issue. The richer the area the more righteous the people.

When I lived on top of black, Asian and Eastern European people we all had a laugh and said racist things. When I moved we didn't integrate but we knew racist things were wrong.

This is how we intellectualise the poor into the bad guy role. We establish these nonsensical rules which don't relate to life. Noticing and joking about difference is more honest than noticing and pretending not to notice it.

Stop poor shaming. It is the route to Tory mastery.

 

If the working class would stop voting Ukip, and now Tory, I might start liking them a bit more.

Until then they can all **** off imo, and take the posh twats with them.

 

Very easy to do this. Listen when they complain and try to actually empathise. Respect that poor people are impacted more by immigration than the wealthy. Don't assume that rapid social change is healthy - even if we can agree gradual social change is normal.

Don't be that guy who hates Brits abroad, yet cannot see any issues with similar groups moving quickly in to the UK.

 

You’ve got the wrong guy mate, I live in Haringey. Probably one of the most ethnically diverse boroughs in the country, and I’m fine with it. My neighbours are from all over the world and I get on with pretty much all of them; although it probably does help that I’m a big guy so the drug dealing Somalian youths leave me alone when I’m walking to the bus stop after work. But actually, no they’re cool; they fear each other, and they fear the police. They leave us law abiding citizens alone.

When I moved back to North London from Southampton, in 1982, I was surrounded by Irish and Jamaicans, and dodgy cockney geezers who ran fruit and veg stalls outside the pubs we all drank in - and I loved it. Still do. No time for racism, no excuses.

Rising house prices, gentrification of working class neighbourhoods, Thatcher - I still hate Thatcher - selling off al the council houses; these are the causes of the social problems I see around me every day. That and a low skilled, low wage economy that we have allowed ourselves to become - with not much in the way of trade unions to protect the interests of working people.

Don’t be that guy who blames the Poles - or the blacks, or the Irish or the dogs.

 

Wasn't aware I blamed anyone. I have a lot of Polish friends (yes, that old card). Immigration is normal but it impacts lives. Not respecting that is what empowered UKIP. If one of the main parties had shown some respect for the impact rapidly changing communities has then UKIP would have struggled.

To be honest, if we had not made so many areas of England sink holes they would have struggled even more. As you say, Thatcher's decimation of the working class community through sales of council housing was the first stage of all that.

 

Can't agree more with the Thatcher council house sell off sentiments. I think reinvestment into more social housing was prohibited. The witch is dead but her legacy lives on. Voter ID with boundary charges will further skew elections in the tories favour.

 

At least we can all agree that we're ****ed then, anyway....

 

We've been over the barrel since back in the mists of time, now they're coming in dry.

 

Johnson is planning to get married. The hunt is on for someone to pay for it.

 

Trump is a British slang word for Fart. Johnson is an American slang word for a Penis. These two are a match made in heaven.

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If that is the case, we might be better off going to Portsmouth (some here call it a hell).

 

Sad news. Surely Eurovisión is part of our culture?

 

Shock.