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  1. Big Audio Dynamite

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    Latest from rangers lala land.

    "Red Bull"

    "Stevie G"

    "Multy Mullions"

    I mean, seriously, how many times?. Masochistic bastards
     
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    Aye, simple enough then, 26 players out and 26 new ones in.
     
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    Ha, ha, ha - what a joke - £6m cash to be raised from a new share issue which he may not be able to do if he doesn't comply with the Takeover Panel and make his own £11m offer to buy out other shareholders ... & then there's the little matter of the £3m owed to Close Bros and other debts/outgoings! Roll up, roll up, mugs! King doing what he's best at - taking the piss out of their fans once again ...

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...ws/dave-king-announces-rangers-raise-12494716
     
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    Attacked by a Barry McKay. No way we'll get 10 now :(
     
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    Steven Gerrard's appointment as Rangers manager had the entire world talking about Scottish football for the first time in years. It quickly reminded everyone that, for all of their success under Brendan Rodgers, Celtic are very much still playing second-fiddle in Glasgow.

    The Liverpool icon's imminent arrival has generated headlines from Los Angeles to Tokyo, and pretty much everywhere in between, and is a genuine box-office signing that is going to make next season much more interesting for both sides. Everybody has been talking about the Rangers manager - with some of the biggest names in football tweeting their congratulations - while Celtic securing seven in a row barely merited a mention outside of Scotland. Celtic's fans have even spent the week since Gerrard's appointment - and their side winning the league - talking about little other than the new Rangers manager or some fairytale involving SFA licences.

    With Gerrard is yet to take charge of his first game, nobody knows how it is going to work out for the 114-times capped former England star but whatever happens, his appointment has put Rodgers under far more pressure to deliver than going up against Mark Warburton, Pedro Caixinha or Graeme Murty ever did.

    Celtic fans already have their side getting to a tenth title in a row and if Rodgers fails to secure the title next season - against a rookie boss no less - he'll be on the first train back to England pleading for a job somewhere. There have been some absolutely wild names thrown about as possible summer signings when Gerrard arrives at Auchenhowie to take charge on June 1. While the likes of Wayne Rooney and Fernando Torres aren't likely to be spotted strolling down Paisley Road West any time soon, someone like Peterborough United's Jack Marriott could be a perfect target for Gerrard and Mark Allen.

    The 23-year-old hit the net 33 times Posh in the 2017/18 season and reports have said there is interest from Ibrox in the former Luton striker. Gerrard is almost certainly going to want to make huge changes to the squad of the summer and bringing someone like Marriott, who has potential to make an immediate impact and move back down south for a much-increased fee.
    If Alfredo Morelos is to move on in the summer Marriott could be a perfect replacement for the 21-year-old Colombian striker and should give Gerrard someone in his side who knows where the goal is.

    It would be big step up for the striker from England's League One but if Allen can negotiate a good deal with Peterborough he could prove to be a fantastic signing. There will also need to be some genuine, proven talent brought into the squad over the summer with a couple of central defenders and a quality creative midfielder something that has been sorely lacking.

    Getting a name of the magnitude of Steven Gerrard to Scottish football should be something that is going to help get the level of players needed to launch a serious title challenge to Celtic next season - even if it doesn't necessarily mean seeing some of Gerrard's former team-mates suddenly appearing in blue. With only three weeks until his arrival in Scottish football, I'm genuinely struggling to remember a bigger signing in Scottish football than Gerrard's - Paul Gascoigne 's signing in 1995 is the last really big one - and the eyes of the world are trained on Ibrox to see just how he gets on in his first managerial role.

    Whatever way it goes at Ibrox for Gerrard - and just like 12 months ago I expect that Rangers will take the title from Celtic - his arrival has quickly reminded everyone that Rangers are the only show in town.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport...teven-gerrard-appointment-put-celtic-12519819

    When people tell me it's boring watching Celtic win everything I would point them in the direction of utter delusion like this to show why I'll never get tired of grinding Rangers into the dirt.
     
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    Eh...I'm no expert but, was that guy Roy Keane not a bad player?

    Was it 7 premiership titles he won?
     
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    It would be big step up for the striker from England's League One

    To Rangers? A team that was pumped out of Europe by a group of fisherman who'd never scored a goal never mind won a game in any European competition?

    Nah, I don't think it's a big step up, pal.
     
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    The Gerrard revolution sees the very latest in sports science technology introduced ... I shall refrain from making any reference to Freudian slips!

     
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    Derek Johnstone: This is Rangers' best squad for a DECADE - even I'm beginning to excited

    A MANAGER whose does not command respect from the dressing room is a dead man walking.

    He can be popular, clever and even tactically aware, but if his players don’t have that great esteem the top man needs, mixed with a bit of fear of their gaffer, then it’s not going to work.
    Rangers knows this better than most. Steven Gerrard wouldn’t have had to mutter a single word to his squad on that first day of training to get over the message that he was The Boss.

    I think this is why more punters have backed Rangers to win the league than even Celtic. I must say, I raised a wry smile when I heard that. Anyone who has read this column will know that time and again I have warned against the Rangers supporters getting carried away, simply because the gap to Celtic is, and has been, so huge.

    However, I’ve got to admit that even me, someone who has preached keeping feet on the ground, getting as excited as the supporters about what MIGHT happen and while I’m happy with the players brought in, my positivity is growing because of Gerrard. I believe this to be the best Rangers squad in a decade – you read that right - and at long last there are some leaders on the pitch, so badly missing, and players who can put in a proper tackle.

    Gerrard is missing just one player, I believe, a big centre-forward and once he signs one I think he will be happy with that. I expect something to happen with regards to this pretty soon. Rangers have a chance next season. I now honestly believe that. Recruitment has been good and I’m told the players have bought into what their new manager is preaching. As if they have a choice. Gerrard has clearly not been fazed by the size of Rangers, and the demands and expectations placed on any manager of that football club. This is a Liverpool legend we are talking about here and so this is his kind of environment.

    And if someone has some doubts about whether they want to be a part of it, then they know where the door is. This is why I believe Josh Windass will leave if Cardiff City or another club bid £3m for a midfielder. Even if he is 50/50 about making a move, he goes. Rangers is not for him and he would leave with my best wishes. Gerrard was a 100 per cent player and that’s what he wants from his players. Total commitment to Rangers.

    Bruno Alves is a player who has been accused of lacking commitment; however, I am not convinced that we have seen the last of the Portuguese. I fancy Gerrard will play with a three-man defence and that is why I feel the veteran defender might be kept on.

    <rofl>
     
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    Kieran Tierney: A transfer that impacts far more than just Celtic's homegrown wonderkid



    Yeah, but for one of us, it will be different! We won’t sell and they won’t want to go.

    Until this week, this has been the credo of followers of the glorious and unique team called Glasgow Celtic.

    The Kieran Tierney saga - media reports suggest Everton want the full-back - will test that faith to the limits. And may have consequences well beyond Balance Sheets and bragging rights.

    This is a moment of serious reflection for all rational Celtic fans.

    Celtic, to its internal credit, has defined the sustainable modern playing-trading strategy of a big club from a small league. It’s common to Sporting Lisbon, Anderlecht, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, but none has done it better than Celtic. In execution and communication to the brethren.

    It goes like this: you attract exciting young talent globally with a simple elevator pitch: you can growth hack your career with us by getting Champions League exposure now.

    You also play domestically in front of 60k each fortnight, and you’re pretty much guaranteed three major honors each Spring. You will stay for us only for two years, at which point we will actively market you to the Premier League (or Southampton as fact would have it).

    You will reach your nirvana, and become rich. And as a bonus, you will play for two years in front of the greatest fans in the world.

    It’s a win/win. Where do I sign?

    This is the Glasgow Celtic business model, no more no less. Add in a top class coach in need of a CV polishing, and a CEO of excellent ruthlessness, and you have a fantastic club, delivering much more than it should, trapped as it has been, in the cage of a small TV market.

    Not to be underestimated is how they have “sold” this reality to the massive fan base of the club through a very astute communications strategy and inside bloggers preparing the message like John the Baptist.

    Wanyama, Van Dijk, Forster, and sundry others have taken this road. Others like Moussa Dembele have had their path entangled by bad injury at exactly the wrong moment. It’s an industrial process by now. It’s not opportunistic.

    And thus, each loss of a top player, incredibly, has been accepted. For two specific reasons, this author would suggest:

    Local dominance of Rangers is always the main objective. Honour and bragging rights make for a filling meal. And that stranglehold has only increased in the last 10 years. What does one player less make? It’s a turkey shoot in Scotland anyway.

    There was a belief that the “Celtic men” would never leave, with the New Testament belief that perhaps one day a competitive team of die-for-the-cause Bhoys will return in righteous glory, in a kind of 300-esque mixture of altruism and defiance. “Yeah, but for one of us, it will be different!”

    If a young man called Kieran Tierney leaves Celtic in the coming weeks, it will put a dent in that second narrative in a way similar to the Gnostic Gospels. Yes, it's that fundamental.

    Let’s be disarmingly honest here; Celtic isn’t like any other club. “One of us” isn’t a cliche. It’s a brotherhood borne of a common background and upbringing; a people swimming valiantly against the same tide.

    This shouldn’t be seen as overdramatic or saccharine pathetic. Told from the old ones, it was exactly in that struggle against prejudice, poverty, and rejection, with horror stories to make your eyes weep, where Paradise was a sanctuary.

    Those of us descended from that culture all have a similar upbringing; the stories from the grandparents, often with bitterness in their eyes, the clubbing together for protection, the songs. Even 4 generations in, you are instantly recognizable to each other, regardless of the progress of your kith and kin over the 100 years.

    Some are politicians, some run the media, some employ thousands, some run football leagues. Some still dig the roads. But we are all “Celtic minded”.

    Kieran knows this. He is this. Intensely so. Perhaps the natural heir to the favorite son called Tommy Burns. With more profound routes than Macari, Hay, Dalglish, Nicholas. Certainly more than Maurice Johnston.

    All of those departures were traumatic for the teenager of those eras. This author never got over the loss of Nicholas in the early 80s, representing as it did a cold shower moment of realization that Celtic weren’t ever going to win the European Cup again if they sold all the “talent”. We were too low in the food chain, and football was changing.

    It’s been a generation and a half since a serious local talent has emerged in the east end of Glasgow. In those 35 years, many excellent Celtic players have left the club, including Henrik Larsson, but none were ever proper “Celtic minded”.

    So there’s a lot of people about to get the shock of their lives, in earnest conversations over breakfast, dinner, and tea.: “ I know he said he never wanted to leave us, I know he just signed a very long contract, I know he loves the badge, but son, he’s gone”.

    The Kieran Tierney saga is unfathomable to many. A father will need all the advantages of the older and wiser man to explain the unexplainable. The main advantage is called perspective.

    There was an under-rated movie from a few years ago called Vantage Point, showing the events of a traumatic day from the differing viewpoints of the protagonists. Only with all this data did the plot make sense.

    Here goes then for our traumatic day......

    From the perspective of the club, it's ruthless pragmatism. Tierney, their best player, has expressed no desire to leave, and is a future captain and talisman. A key marketing asset in all commercial collaterals. He will improve and surely generate an even richer treasure in 2 years. He would be the rightful captain to capture 10-in-a-row.

    So why consider this if you are Peter Lawwell? Celtic have realized and publicly confirmed that their annual participation in the group stages of the UCL (with its super-profit reward) is less probable with every year that passes. Celtic have also dropped the ball on the expected Dembele windfall, when he should have been sold in the transfer window after the Man City game. Regret generates anxiety.

    Selling Tierney now for £30m should easily guarantee and maintain clear blue water between them and the best a Gerrard-aspired Rangers could achieve. It’s a trade that locks in 10-in-row, in a moment when UEFA monies may longer hit the Balance Sheet. And after all, they have a decent young replacement in Calvin Miller. Ruthless pragmatism? You decide.

    From the perspective of the player, or better, the human, he is torn. He is deeply “Celtic minded” but also an elite athlete, susceptible to whisperings in the ear of a song called Ambition.

    The lad has recently changed agent, to a boutique very focused on the practical matters in life. Coincidence? He now, they will say, has the chance to secure his family’s financial future. No doubt there would be a promise of a golden hello incentive to his family. And enough money for three generations down the line.

    It will also be suggested to him that he can’t wait for the 10th record title. At best, one more year at Celtic, before he is undeniably treading water. Another treble doesn’t advance his legacy, the SPFL doesn’t push his progression, and getting skelped for 5 or 6 in the Champions League doesn’t look good for a defender.

    And what if you get an injury, Kieran? Those soft seductive tunes played by top agents are a winning argument for any young man. Throw in the classic, “you’ll come back one day“, and it’s overwhelming. He leaves, albeit reluctantly. And rightly so. Whether Everton, Spurs or Man United is another argument, not for today.

    From the perspective of the manager, it’s a blow. But he’d be a hypocrite if he used his best Irish silver tongue to push back. He himself likely tosses and turns each night on the horns of the same dilemma. Legacy and timing. Can he still win the treble without Tierney? Most certainly yes, and Miller is an excellent prospect.

    Will his chances in the UCL group stage be significantly downgraded by the loss of his star left back? Of course they will. But does going from a 20% to a 15% chance really represent a paradigm shift? It’s not at the margins. He will come to peace with the loss soon enough and reflect on investing that cash in quality central defenders and a goalie. And he will not be far behind the boy.

    From the perspective of the fans it is a tragedy. There are 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Those brave hacks currently opining the whole saga are already subjected to the denial and anger part. “He is Celtic. He won’t leave”.

    The bargaining phase will begin soon with the bragging rights about how good the fee was, and how it cements the Celtic dominance. That in Glasgow is called whittabootery. The more interesting phases are depression and acceptance. It raises more questions than answers. Will fans of a huge club like Celtic accept the reality that all, yes everyone, with international class, MUST leave?

    Will they accept their club actively marketing “Celtic minded” local idols for the wedge? Will they join the dots and see that there is thus a de facto quality ceiling on a Celtic player; where any exception appearing, like Kieran Tierney, is doomed to be fleeting? Will the younger fans, not already having experienced the pain of Dalglish and Nicholas, accept this?

    That last question is the key one. The modern Gen Z fan is in no way as bought-in to local fare as we were. His (and increasingly her) choices are now infinite in the world of Twitch, with mega-star players projected to global celeb status. Will the club loyalty hold? Will the Christmas Celtic pajamas guarantee a lifetime season ticket customer? Will Dad’s tears at Walk On still resonate?

    Or.

    Will a moody, ballsy teenager turn to the old man and say “Dad, I’m not watching this anymore. It’s mediocre at best. Any talent we discover is off as soon as.....by definition, we are watching players who can’t get into a big league”?

    And what does Dad say?

    Now, undoubtedly the Celtic brand loyalty is infinitely stronger than almost any club. And whether the bloggers like to or not, much, if not all of that, is due to a to-the-death rivalry with Rangers. Yes, if you know the history you see that we were borne as a reaction to them, and are still defined by our desire to dominate them. They are NOT the peopel!!!!

    So whilst that rivalry/hatred continues, and any drop in player quality is evenly balanced, interest in the club, Glasgow Celtic, should persist.

    But do not make the mistake of thinking that the departure of Tierney can be intellectualised like Van Dijk. And that the impact will be manageable as easily.

    This transfer will be an epiphany moment for many, especially those under 25.

    For me, remembering Charlie, my heart goes out to the kids.
     
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    Legend <laugh>
     
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    :emoticon-0136-giggl Used to be that legends were created after they were dead but nowadays the word 'legend' is, ridiculously, more likely to be used to describe someone who comes back from the bar with unexpected bags of crisps for his mates - I suppose either of these is applicable in the context of 'The Rangers International FC' ...
     
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