Playing in England?

The Raging Oxter

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The Scottish Football Association will not stand in the way of Rangers and Celtic if the Old Firm clubs seek a route out of Scotland, the organisation's president said yesterday.

There is currently no means for either club to join a competition in another country, although both are actively investigating their options. While league reconstruction is the pressing topic in Scotland just now, Campbell Ogilvie admits the governing body would assist the Old Firm in seeking a move elsewhere if it will make Scottish football more competitive.

"In the last 50 years, the league championship has been won by the Old Firm 45 times," Ogilvie said. "In Uefa, there has been a softening. They are opening up more to this cross-border [competitions]. Even if it goes somewhere, it's not going to move forward significantly in the next two or three years. We embrace looking at that.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/sfa-we-wont-stop-old-firm-walking-away.19897844


PETER Lawwell insists Celtic must try to charm their way into English football rather than rely on threats and legal action.

The Parkhead chief executive recently represented Scotland on a sub-group of the powerful European Club Association which looked into the issue of cross-border leagues.

"Our natural partner is England, so we're in a wee corner talking to ourselves," Lawwell said. "But flip it and ask what happens if this does take off and we're not part of it.

"It actually gets worse because you have nations our size and bigger joining up and becoming bigger markets, and we're left behind. It changes from an opportunity to a threat if it does take off.

"If you took legal action all the way, it would be like Bosman, you'd win in the end because it [Scottish clubs being unable to play in England] is anti-competitive. But in all of these things you need commercial pull rather than pushing.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/charm-school.19897795


Aye? Naw?
 
I can't see it ever happening...

The EPL/EFA just tcame out with a sttement saying Rangers can **** off, so I assume they would say the same to Celtic.

I can see Celtic moving to a European League in the next 10/15years but not to English football.
 
Or we could just say we are happy to work our way up the leagues and then start bitching and moaning when we don't get fast tracked after less than a season in.

Seriously though, I wouldn't fancy the idea of starting in that scenario. Never gonny happen anyway, all this talk about us and newco moving anywhere is pie in the sky at the moment. And I wish the media would stop linking us with them, moves, sponsorships, old firm yadda ****in yadda.
 
The reason for Chuckies rant and Ogilivies alleged backing of Celtic and SEVCO leaving Scotland is purely and simply because the figures don't add up Chucky said that they NEEDED £27m from the IPO. He only got £22m, a shortfall of £5m. Old rfc turnover in their last season of existence was £45m of which £27m were wages, leaving a £18m operating cost. Most of these costs, other wages etc cannot be reduced due to Tupe. Current player wage bill is £7m, plus 700K for TFPL 360K each for Chucky and Ahmed plus other wages brings the total wage bill to approx £10m. SB revenues were in the region of £10m, but £2m must go in VAT, leaving only £8m, a shortfall of £2m on wages alone, not yet mentioning rates utility bills etc and of course the required £9m to be spent immediately on the stadium. Chucky waited for the share issue to pay European clubs outstanding debts. I reckon SEVCO will need a new share issue and a substantial one at that within 18months or so, probably beforehand.

Chucky thought for whatever reason that the SPL would invite SEVCO back next season and he would access European football within 2 years from now, allowing for UEFA not allowing NEW CLUBS to compete for 3 years.


The next share issue will not attract the institutional advantage of tax avoidance schemes such as EIS. VCT, consequently will rely on a large fan contribution......something SEVCO and rfc fans don't do.


Chucky is panic stricken. His business model looks precarious. This is why HMRC allocated the risky business investment incentives of the EIS. VCT. They knew that this SEVCO share issue was very high risky indeed.

Figures don't add up.
 
Celtic volunteer to give up €500k prize money a season (arrogantly assuming we'll get it) and then start talking about ****ing off elsewhere.... All that glisters is not gold.
 
The reason for Chuckies rant and Ogilivies alleged backing of Celtic and SEVCO leaving Scotland is purely and simply because the figures don't add up Chucky said that they NEEDED £27m from the IPO. He only got £22m, a shortfall of £5m. Old rfc turnover in their last season of existence was £45m of which £27m were wages, leaving a £18m operating cost. Most of these costs, other wages etc cannot be reduced due to Tupe. Current player wage bill is £7m, plus 700K for TFPL 360K each for Chucky and Ahmed plus other wages brings the total wage bill to approx £10m. SB revenues were in the region of £10m, but £2m must go in VAT, leaving only £8m, a shortfall of £2m on wages alone, not yet mentioning rates utility bills etc and of course the required £9m to be spent immediately on the stadium. Chucky waited for the share issue to pay European clubs outstanding debts. I reckon SEVCO will need a new share issue and a substantial one at that within 18months or so, probably beforehand.

Chucky thought for whatever reason that the SPL would invite SEVCO back next season and he would access European football within 2 years from now, allowing for UEFA not allowing NEW CLUBS to compete for 3 years.


The next share issue will not attract the institutional advantage of tax avoidance schemes such as EIS. VCT, consequently will rely on a large fan contribution......something SEVCO and rfc fans don't do.


Chucky is panic stricken. His business model looks precarious. This is why HMRC allocated the risky business investment incentives of the EIS. VCT. They knew that this SEVCO share issue was very high risky indeed.

Figures don't add up.

Yeah, I understand this, despite the claims of the share issue being a success by them.
Also read in a couple of papers this morning that Rapid Vienna have received eff all money so far.
 
Star says Vienna were offered 60%...but that means nothing to them
Mail says Vienna have lawyered up.
Post quotes a source that maybe the statement about paying debts was someone from Celtic having a joke because they have got nothing.

I don't know what that has to do with Celtic in England though.
 
Star says Vienna were offered 60%...but that means nothing to them
Mail says Vienna have lawyered up.
Post quotes a source that maybe the statement about paying debts was someone from Celtic having a joke because they have got nothing.

I don't know what that has to do with Celtic in England though.

Neither do I.
 
Albatross...

we're talking about Celtic playing IN England - keep your Sevco patterfor your other mega thread!
 
Star says Vienna were offered 60%...but that means nothing to them
Mail says Vienna have lawyered up.
Post quotes a source that maybe the statement about paying debts was someone from Celtic having a joke because they have got nothing.

I don't know what that has to do with Celtic in England though.

I am pretty sure that Chucky said on talk sport keys and Gray that they had paid all outstanding European debts.
 
Albatross...

we're talking about Celtic playing IN England - keep your Sevco patterfor your other mega thread!

Think you will find that others have also posted about SEVCO. Victimisation. May I enquire did you used to support rangers ?
 
Think you will find that others have also posted about SEVCO. Victimisation. May I enquire did you used to support rangers ?


Yip ... I'm a Rangers fans! Just because I'm not obsessed about Rangers and their finances , this makes me a hun! <doh> I actually think you're a hunposter but that's a different story!

You started a massive rant about Rangers (or Sevco as you still hilariously refer to them) and their money issues (guessing the figures involved ) - who actually cares if they have money issues! Celtic fans shouldn't give a **** !

Rebel responded but also put he not sure what it had to do with Celtic playing in England.

Celtic are already trying to distance themselves away from Rangers (seperate sponsor at last)...I wish some people on here would do the same.

Victimisation - yes, cause you cant talk about Celtic issues without having a Rangers comment!

Give it a rest sometimes will ye and lets keep this thread to Celtic in England... **** Rangers.