Penalty change

[Nacho]

FIFA is considering abolishing rebounds from penalties. If rules were changed, a free-kick to the defending side would be awarded if a team misses from the spot. (De Telegraaf - in Dutch)

I think this would be a good change. For one thing pens in general are already naturally in favour of the taker, for another the amount of soft penalty decisions has rocketed in recent years due to the almost non contact nature of football these days and the mastery of cheating, and finally in a penalty shootout nobody can put in a rebound so it would make the rules consistent.

 

[marcusblackcat]

FIFA is considering abolishing rebounds from penalties. If rules were changed, a free-kick to the defending side would be awarded if a team misses from the spot. (De Telegraaf - in Dutch)

I think this would be a good change. For one thing pens in general are already naturally in favour of the taker, for another the amount of soft penalty decisions has rocketed in recent years due to the almost non contact nature of football these days and the mastery of cheating, and finally in a penalty shootout nobody can put in a rebound so it would make the rules consistent.

I personally hate the idea. It’s like stopping the game if a keeper saves the ball or it comes back off the post. Ball becomes live as soon as it’s kicked. It’s a free kick, just in a different spot

 

[Nacho]

I personally hate the idea. It’s like stopping the game if a keeper saves the ball or it comes back off the post. Ball becomes live as soon as it’s kicked. It’s a free kick, just in a different spot

I don't agree because penalties are so much easier to score than other dead balls I think there should be some balance there, they aren't the same as free kicks and corners. In addition the rules for penalty shootouts are different, it'd be really weird if cups were decided by players putting in rebounds in a shootout.

Apart from all that is it not a bit sickening when your keeper pulls off a great save but it falls right to the strikers feet for a tap in despite them ****ing up the penalty? Pens are a golden opportunity to score.

 

[Disco down under]

Absolutely awful in my eyes. Penalties should offer the attacking team a massive opportunity. They've earned it. How the **** the defending team getting a free kick upon a save is even being spoken about is ****ing mental.

 

[Sidthemackem]

Can see pros and cons for it. I remember Marco Gabbiadini having a penalty saved against Ipswich and scoring from the rebound. But as the Ipswich players charged in one clattered into Marco who promptly levelled him with an elbow and got sent off. On the one hand the live ball is fair enough and on the other it creates chaos. I tend to favour the status quo.

 

[marcusblackcat]

I don't agree because penalties are so much easier to score than other dead balls I think there should be some balance there, they aren't the same as free kicks and corners. In addition the rules for penalty shootouts are different, it'd be really weird if cups were decided by players putting in rebounds in a shootout.

Apart from all that is it not a bit sickening when your keeper pulls off a great save but it falls right to the strikers feet for a tap in despite them ****ing up the penalty? Pens are a golden opportunity to score.

We’ll never agree. A penalty is just a dead ball situation. Imagine that you’re drawing 1-1 in a cup final and get a last minute penalty. Keeper saves it and it falls back to you with 30 seconds left. Regardless of how much easier they are to score, it should stay exactly as it is imo!!

If a ball is punched if the line by a defender and stopped from going in by cheating, then the keeper makes a blinding save, why should the ball be dead?

 

[Nacho]

We’ll never agree. A penalty is just a dead ball situation. Imagine that you’re drawing 1-1 in a cup final and get a last minute penalty. Keeper saves it and it falls back to you with 30 seconds left. Regardless of how much easier they are to score, it should stay exactly as it is imo!!

If a ball is punched if the line by a defender and stopped from going in by cheating, then the keeper makes a blinding save, why should the ball be dead?

In that case the team will have had the defender sent off and almost literally put the ball on a plate for the opposition to score so I think that's punishment enough. Considering how ridiculously soft so many decisions are these days and how common a part of games pens have become as a result I wouldn't have a problem with the odds being rebalanced a tiny bit in the keeper's favour.

And it would only be a tiny bit, despite how many pens we see these days it's pretty rare to see it rebound and get put in.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I personally hate the idea. It’s like stopping the game if a keeper saves the ball or it comes back off the post. Ball becomes live as soon as it’s kicked. It’s a free kick, just in a different spot

Yep, I believe it states in the rules (and it's some years since I looked at them) that a pen is the same as a direct free kick except taken from a designated point with no one in the way. So I wouldn't want to see it changed because it would be weird. But then I'm a bit of a traditionalist so my view is probably a bit blinkered.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Oh, and that rule change might mean that the passing from a penalty (see Messi & Suarez, Henry & Pires, Cruyff & Olsen, Coppens & Piters) wouldn't be allowed. And that would be a shame as they are always fun whether they score or whether they cock it up.

 

[marcusblackcat]

In that case the team will have had the defender sent off and almost literally put the ball on a plate for the opposition to score so I think that's punishment enough. Considering how ridiculously soft so many decisions are these days and how common a part of games pens have become as a result I wouldn't have a problem with the odds being rebalanced a tiny bit in the keeper's favour.

And it would only be a tiny bit, despite how many pens we see these days it's pretty rare to see it rebound and get put in.

That's another reason I can;t understand this rule and why it's come up? Is it because Pogba scored one as that's the only one like that I can think of from recent memory!!

As I say, we'll never agree - I see it, much like @The Norton Cat , as a free kick and no different. I just think it's a stupid idea!!

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

I don't agree because penalties are so much easier to score than other dead balls I think there should be some balance there, they aren't the same as free kicks and corners. In addition the rules for penalty shootouts are different, it'd be really weird if cups were decided by players putting in rebounds in a shootout.

Apart from all that is it not a bit sickening when your keeper pulls off a great save but it falls right to the strikers feet for a tap in despite them ****ing up the penalty? Pens are a golden opportunity to score.

Thats the way the ball bounces.

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

This is just a rule thats been going on for decades that doesnt need changing.

 

[The Norton Cat]

The Telegraaf article that @Nacho quotes has some other interesting possible rule changes though. Like subbed players going straight off at the nearest point to stop time wasting and clarification on handball.

 

[Nacho]

That's another reason I can;t understand this rule and why it's come up? Is it because Pogba scored one as that's the only one like that I can think of from recent memory!!

As I say, we'll never agree - I see it, much like @The Norton Cat , as a free kick and no different. I just think it's a stupid idea!!

I'm guessing it's a way to add some balance now that penalties are so common but unfortunately the article was in Dutch so no idea really.

I don't think it's a particularly elegant solution to give a free kick like the taker has done something wrong but I've always thought that if you can't beat the keeper from the spot then you don't deserve to score and more importantly if the keeper is able to save it then they deserve the save and not to concede anyway because of blind luck.

What about the pens in a shootout, they aren't free kicks are they? It'd just be the same as them. A miss is a miss and a save is a save. Nobody watches a shootout and thinks it'd be fairer if the striker could score from a rebound.

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

I'm guessing it's a way to add some balance now that penalties are so common but unfortunately the article was in Dutch so no idea really.

I don't think it's a particularly elegant solution to give a free kick like the taker has done something wrong but I've always thought that if you can't beat the keeper from the spot then you don't deserve to score and more importantly if the keeper is able to save it then they deserve the save and not to concede anyway because of blind luck.

What about the pens in a shootout, they aren't free kicks are they? It'd just be the same as them. A miss is a miss and a save is a save. Nobody watches a shootout and thinks it'd be fairer if the striker could score from a rebound.

The match has finished at the penalty shoot out stage.

 

[Nacho]

The match has finished at the penalty shoot out stage.

So?

I'm saying I think it's fairer in a shootout not wondering why it's different.

 

[marcusblackcat]

I'm guessing it's a way to add some balance now that penalties are so common but unfortunately the article was in Dutch so no idea really.

I don't think it's a particularly elegant solution to give a free kick like the taker has done something wrong but I've always thought that if you can't beat the keeper from the spot then you don't deserve to score and more importantly if the keeper is able to save it then they deserve the save and not to concede anyway because of blind luck.

What about the pens in a shootout, they aren't free kicks are they? It'd just be the same as them. A miss is a miss and a save is a save. Nobody watches a shootout and thinks it'd be fairer if the striker could score from a rebound.

A penalty shootout is something used to determine the outcome of a drawn game - it's not something where the penalty is awarded for the defending team doing something wrong. Different rules for different occasions. They'd be effectively giving the person/team fouled a punishment if he doesn't score the penalty by stopping the game even if he has the ball at his feet after it's hit the keeper. Just hate the idea and that will never change.

That said, SAFC don't seem to miss many penalties nowadays!!!

PGMOL are dead against it from what I listened to on the radio the other day

 

[The Norton Cat]

So?

I'm saying I think it's fairer in a shootout not wondering why it's different.

I think because, like Sprouts said, the two are part of different elements of the game that there have to be differences and that difference pretty much creates unfairness. I can see that there's an argument for change but I think it might be less disruptive to allow rebounds to be scored in a shootout than to award a free-kick in normal play.

 

[Nacho]

I think because, like Sprouts said, the two are part of different elements of the game that there have to be differences and that difference pretty much creates unfairness. I can see that there's an argument for change but I think it might be less disruptive to allow rebounds to be scored in a shootout than to award a free-kick in normal play.

It'd be alright I reckon if everyone knows what to expect and they all hang back like you would in a shootout. If players aren't encroaching into the box like they do now you wouldn't get any retakes for that reason which would be a small benefit.

I'm not usually one for changing things that aren't broken and I wouldn't care if they didn't change this but I do feel that if a striker misses or the keeper saves it that should be the end of the penalty. I don't see them as being the same as free kicks personally.

 

[MrRAWhite]

Silly idea: leave it as it is..