Off Topic Pay rise.

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No it's not. It's the company's obligation to pay it, if it wants to operate in the UK and have British workers.

An obligatory company tax is not part of an employee's 'package'... It's ridiculous slave mentality to think that.

That's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from a Complaints Clerk rather than someone with a basic economic background - even the government website classes it as part of an employee's remuneration albeit paid for by the employer
 
I worked at a very well known firm in Hull. They employed hundreds if not thousands of local people. They were an American company with plants all over the World. Always paid decent money, above the local average, but it was hard work and everyone knew that.
Union got stronger and stronger, pay went up and up. Some departments were getting ridiculously high wages for shorter and shorter hours. And every year without fail the union asked for more and more.
The workforce was gradually reduced as a result.
More and more of 'our stuff' was being made in our sister plants in India, Italy and Egypt.......cheaper.
Eventually the Hull plant closed down. It employs no-one now.
I left the firm 30 odd years ago and went self employed because I saw what was coming.

You didn't wait for redundancy?
 
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That's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from a Complaints Clerk rather than someone with a basic economic background - even the government website classes it as part of an employee's remuneration albeit paid for by the employer

My company pays for my super, that's not part of my "package". It's a compulsory third party payment. When I negotiate my salary increase its always on an excluding superannuation basis. You shouldn't be grateful just because your employer is meeting its legal obligations.
 
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It's maybe just me being pedantic (I know, I know), but I've never really grasped why people say they work for a company. I've always worked for me and my family, and I have as much loyalty to any company that pays me as they have to me.

I've done that at a variety of different companies, trading my services for the pay they offer. Moving if and when a better deal comes along. Although I have left some for lower paid work when the company changed and I didn't agree with their new principles.

I know it's not the generally held view, but we're all 'self employed' trading our skills for money or reward.

Exceptions to that have been when I do voluntary work, where I'm clearly then working for them, with the reward being the good I've done others.
 
It's maybe just me being pedantic (I know, I know), but I've never really grasped why people say they work for a company. I've always worked for me and my family, and I have as much loyalty to any company that pays me as they have to me.

I've done that at a variety of different companies, trading my services for the pay they offer. Moving if and when a better deal comes along. Although I have left some for lower paid work when the company changed and I didn't agree with their new principles.

I know it's not the generally held view, but we're all 'self employed' trading our skills for money or reward.

Exceptions to that have been when I do voluntary work, where I'm clearly then working for them, with the reward being the good I've done others.
You’re right, you are being pedantic.
 
Find somewhere else and upskill wages in Hull are ****ing ****e.
The company I work for owe me nothing as I owe them **** all.
People are desperate for lifelong job security it isn’t happening this isn’t the 1950’s
I asked for 8% got 6% I am fine with that though I am always looking and I got back pay if they didn’t give me that I’d quit.
Make sure you have investments and money in the bank otherwise you are ****ed!
 
That's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from a Complaints Clerk rather than someone with a basic economic background - even the government website classes it as part of an employee's remuneration albeit paid for by the employer

Really? I wonder how many workers will be paying the higher rate of income tax because their remuneration has increased and taken over the frozen threshold.
 
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It's maybe just me being pedantic (I know, I know), but I've never really grasped why people say they work for a company. I've always worked for me and my family, and I have as much loyalty to any company that pays me as they have to me.

I've done that at a variety of different companies, trading my services for the pay they offer. Moving if and when a better deal comes along. Although I have left some for lower paid work when the company changed and I didn't agree with their new principles.

I know it's not the generally held view, but we're all 'self employed' trading our skills for money or reward.

Exceptions to that have been when I do voluntary work, where I'm clearly then working for them, with the reward being the good I've done others.
Pedantic twat. <whistle>
 
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Wages/salaries in Hull are low, to coincide with the relatively low cost of property etc. when compared to the rest of the country. I worked in York for 14 years, but commuted every day....House prices in York were easily 30% up on Hull. Live in Hull, and you get stuck in Hull....I'm not complaining, one bit...Always been my home and will be at the end.
 
That's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from a Complaints Clerk rather than someone with a basic economic background - even the government website classes it as part of an employee's remuneration albeit paid for by the employer

Where on the government website does it state that employers national insurance is part of an employee's renumeration?
 
Get in a Union & get them negotiating on your behalf.

I once worked at a place where non of us were in any union, after a while of pay rises not matching inflation and the rise in cost of living the usual murmurings started so we contacted the appropriate union for our profession. Of course they said we should all join them but went on to say we were already getting paid more than their recommended level.
 
An employee's National Insurance is not part of his remuneration, but it's obviously a cost of employing that employee.

Employer National Insurance contributions are classified as an on-cost above employee gross pay. Other on-costs may include pension contributions, statutory safety equipment and such like. On-costs can amount to 25% of employee gross pay and obviously impact on the overall staffing costs. They cannot be viewed as part of an individual's earnings though as they will be paying employee National Insurance and pension contributions themselves.
 
An employee's National Insurance is not part of his remuneration, but it's obviously a cost of employing that employee.

I appreciate it's a cost and I also appreciate that it will affect some companies negatively.

At the end of the day, if official UK inflation is running at 2,8%, meaning real inflation is higher, then a pay increase of 1-1,5% means that someone is worse off the next year, unless deflation occurs.
 
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