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I'll give you a factual situation that goes to why radicalisation happens. The radicals are entitled to freedom of movement the same as everyone else, sadly the radicals then enter mosques to try and preach their hatred, the worshippers become afraid and will not report the radicals to the police for fear of reprisal, they just hope that the radicals move on. Hence the problem is spread though out the UK and people are frightened to speak out against it or stop the spread of it. Muslims in the main wish us no harm, but they need to accept there are a very small minority that do. Just by ignoring it is not integration into society, you protect yourself but are failing to protect your fellow citizens, turning a blind eye and not reporting it is unacceptable if any religion or belief truly wishes to live in peace.
I think you are right. I have never heard any hate preaching in a mosque but havent been to Friday prayers in Uk and I understand that it is a problem in a few.
You are right that the reaction to try and ignore it and hope it will go away is the easiest way. You see this in all areas of society - its not just a problem for Muslims.
So its extremely important that the moderate Muslims, particularly those with responsibility in the mosques deal with this problem with any assistance they can get from the government.
 
If you strip down any person to their core you find their true self

That true self likes nothing more than Eating baby sheep, having a good crap and going around spitting on and having their own genitals spat upon

That's life ladies and gentlemen
 
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If you strip down any person to their core you find their true self

That true self likes nothing more than Eating baby sheep, having a good crap and going around spitting on and having their own genitals spat upon

That's life ladies and gentlemen

I know Obi said your parties were wild but...

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I agree, we should be intolerant to other religions on the basis of their intolerance to other religions. Can't see any problems with that at all.

Why should I even consider for one moment to tolerate the intolerant? That is an anathema to me. Your just seeing the early flexing of the muscles. As the Islamic population rises in the West, which it will - rest assured - can you honestly say things will get better? I don't fancy total and utter dhimmitude in my twilight years thanks very much.

Also, General Lee - I have a different opinion to you. I'm very well versed in history and politics - don't dismiss me as some paranoid filled with delusions. I could call you a a complete and utter imbecile for labelling me a racist just for calling out a religion and its stone age, primitive mentality in our conversation a few days ago - but I'll be kind and say you didn't know what you what were talkng about.
 
Why should I even consider for one moment to tolerate the intolerant? That is an anathema to me. Your just seeing the early flexing of the muscles. As the Islamic population rises in the West, which it will - rest assured - can you honestly say things will get better? I don't fancy total and utter dhimmitude in my twilight years thanks very much.

Also, General Lee - I have a different opinion to you. I'm very well versed in history and politics - don't dismiss me as some paranoid filled with delusions. I could call you a a complete and utter imbecile for labelling me a racist just for calling out a religion and its stone age, primitive mentality in our conversation a few days ago - but I'll be kind and say you didn't know what you what were talkng about.


Who cares
 
Why should I even consider for one moment to tolerate the intolerant? That is an anathema to me. Your just seeing the early flexing of the muscles. As the Islamic population rises in the West, which it will - rest assured - can you honestly say things will get better? I don't fancy total and utter dhimmitude in my twilight years thanks very much.

Also, General Lee - I have a different opinion to you. I'm very well versed in history and politics - don't dismiss me as some paranoid filled with delusions. I could call you a a complete and utter imbecile for labelling me a racist just for calling out a religion and its stone age, primitive mentality in our conversation a few days ago - but I'll be kind and say you didn't know what you what were talkng about.
You'll have to forgive me if I have not recalled it correctly but I was going off my memory of the Brexit thread last year where (I think) you were referring to Birmingham as Birminghamistan or something like that and how Asians were the root cause of the problems in that area. I apologise if I've got that wrong as it was a long time ago and I didn't check back as to what you said but that was the impression I got from the conversation at the time. I could probably go back and have a look for it but I've wasted enough time arguing with strangers on the internet already.
 
Isis have declared war on several countries including us. This is fact.
Do you advocate just sitting back letting them do what the want cos we don't want to get involved?
Our security services are there to protect us and for too long they have been ham strung due to our by the book way of doing things.
The book needs throwing out and MI6 and MI5 need to just quietly be allowed to deal with the problem, no pissing about.
It's not a debate for me about what caused all this Islamic (and other religious) terrorism, it's a debate about our response.
As a religion I have no issue with Islam and I have loads of Turkish mates who share
My view too on the need to proactively deal with these cowards. Islam is about peace not
hate.

If only it were so simple, in a survey 4% of Muslims said they agreed with the terrorists , this represents approx 100,000 people in the UK , only 30% said they would be willing to report suspicions to the authorities, it has always been the situation that innocent people are judged by minorities and if this is the only way to save the lives of men women and children so be it , I think these lives are very important , there needs to be action taken
 
We are not at war.

A relatively small number of criminals (no need to think up any grander, sexier word for them like "terrorists") cause a relatively small number of deaths. Of course, any death is the end of the world if it is yours or that of someone you love but the number of people harmed is considerably lower than, say, falling off a cliff or being trampled by a horse.

The government would be delighted if you gave it the power to shoot/imprison you randomly (once you give the government the power to do this to anyone, it gets the power to do it to you). Don't fall for it.

The only time I have had any dealings with police is when they hand me speeding tickets on a regular basis, it has not once in my life crossed my mind they would shoot or imprison me, and the police here carry guns, you must have given them a dirty look one time Freddd

A pity we cannot get the views of people killed by terrorists to see if they agree with your comments
 
My thoughts are with all the victims.
Police should be allowed to protect themselves in these dark times. Most civilised countries allow police to carry a sidearm so why not us?
These Islamic terrorists must be laughing at how soft our country is with respect to matters of state security.
 
My thoughts are with all the victims.
Police should be allowed to protect themselves in these dark times. Most civilised countries allow police to carry a sidearm so why not us?
These Islamic terrorists must be laughing at how soft our country is with respect to matters of state security.
I don't agree that our security is soft.

If our security was soft then i would suggest we would have been attacked more often. France is probably a good example of a country who'se security is soft and why more attacks and larger scale attacks have occurred there.

I would venture to suggest we haven't been attacked so much or on a similar scale to France is because our security is amongst the best in the world.
 
My thoughts are with all the victims.
Police should be allowed to protect themselves in these dark times. Most civilised countries allow police to carry a sidearm so why not us?
These Islamic terrorists must be laughing at how soft our country is with respect to matters of state security.

Police carrying guns did not stop the attacks in France, Belgium or Germany, we pay for our freedoms by the opportunity that terrorists have, we however are not subject to the suicide bombs and attacks seen elsewhere with such frequency because we do have more effective controls on certain aspects of our security.

The biggest problem we have in this country and in Europe is the complete and utter misguided idea that there is any integration into our Western cultures or values by the various ethnic groups that have come to our countries in the last 50 or so years, even the Chinese and East European communities are not integrated into our society, this has been the biggest political lie throughout the last 30 years and the attendant method of stifling debate over the years by invoking racism as a response to any concerns has been just as devious as Blair's use of immigration to re-engineer British society.

I remember in the late 70's our concerns were with the IRA, Bader Meinhoff in Germany and the Basque ETA movement, nobody talked about Islamic Terrorism at that time, this is a modern movement fuelled by certain religious intolerances and sadly fostered within a community in the heart of our own people that is as separate from our Western culture as any in the heartlands of Pakistan or Afghanistan, the vast majority will not involve themselves with an act such as yesterday but they stand apart from us in their feelings and response to it. Even now the authorities mutter platitudes and twist themselves out of shape to avoid the use of those fatal words Islamic Terrorist, I watched a video of an obviously pro British Front man speaking about the incident yesterday and the first journalist to shove a microphone into his face repudiated him for linking the attack to the Islamic community, yes he was offensive by our media standards but the constant suppression of opposing views has to stop and we have to have the real debate and dialogue that we need along with what are we going to do, that could end up being nothing in the end just business as usual.