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I'm afraid that if anyone mentions UKIP or immigration in positive or negative terms respectively, they will almost always be labelled a racist by the liberals and liberal left.
 
No - he was travelling through South London stations on the train and he said it was not until Grove Park that he could hear English being audibly spoken in the carriage. He wasn't observing that some were speaking in foreign languages, but that no one was speaking English and it made him feel "slightly awkward"
"slightly awkward" or "uncomfortable" is just semantics. Means the same thing.
 
An exaggeration - he said where no one is speaking English. UKIP must tread a careful line. If they tolerate bigots they'll lose the support of reasonable people, as Mosley did in the early 30's. But if they argue re numbers coming in, our desired population density etc they will get more of an audience
Given that their entire platform is an exaggeration to generate fear amongst the ignorant, I feel fine about a little poetic licence. Any comment on the Romanians quote? Interesting that you compare them to Mosley, even I hadn't made that leap. Why must UKIP tread a careful line - so they can attract racist and non-racist voters without being labelled racist? The racist taboo is pretty strong nowadays.[/QUOTE]

Call it poetic license if you like but there is a perfectly reasonable debate to be had on immigration. UKIP play their part.

Nothing wrong with Romanians, though I have to admit if a large family of Roma moved in next door to me, while I would not pre-judge, my instinctive reaction may be too become a bit rattled

Mosley started off as a highly regarded politician - many believed he would be prime minister, though no one knew for which party. He went badly wrong when he started taking foreign money (Mussolini and later the National Socialists in Germany) which pushed him far to the right. UKIP must treat a careful line to ensure that they add positively to the vital immigration debate - and don't pander to racism or take racists into their party (and kick out any that are in there)
 
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I'm afraid that if anyone mentions UKIP or immigration in positive or negative terms respectively, they will almost always be labelled a racist by the liberals and liberal left.
That is very true
The liberals and liberal left would try and give houses to Islamic State before British citizens
 
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Holy crap! Just made it through over modding 2 and this thread - we can't half go off on one can't we!
What's the likely team v Hull again! Oops wrong thread.

Ah just realised if Holy crap offends anyone I apologise
I apologise also for inferring anyone just goes off on one
I apologise for posting, let me know when safe to come back.
 
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I love Farage's line to the questions - what's wrong with living next to Romanians... 'you know what's wrong'......... what is so wrong?

This is proper old skool politics. Thank Goodness for Nigel to spark some contention on otherwise wet drab.

Reminds me of the virtue of welcoming from another island race Japan....http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/32788ff0-ea00-11e3-99ed-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3RyonneRB - and I quote form the FT and their PM......

On a recent television programme, Shinzo Abe was asked about one of Japan’s most politically delicate topics: immigration. Given that the population is shrinking and fewer than 2 per cent of residents are foreign, was it time for the country to throw open its doors?

The prime minister’s answer could hardly have been clearer – or more disheartening for advocates of a radical new embrace of outsiders.

“In countries that have accepted immigration, there has been a lot of friction, a lot of unhappiness both for the newcomers and the people who already lived there,” he told the audience, as he held up a white signboard marked with a red “x” to underscore his negative position on the issue.

Aside from neighbouring South Korea, no wealthy country has combined a low birth rate and tight immigration controls the way Japan has. The country’s labour force began to shrink in the mid-1990s, and the total population peaked in 2008, at just under 130m. If nothing changes, there will be 30m fewer Japanese by 2050, and by the early 2100s – admittedly a distant extrapolation – the population could be half or even a third what it is today.

Mr Abe’s televised rejection of immigration might have surprised people who have listened to his speeches on reviving economic growth, which are full of pledges to attract international capital of both the financial and human kind.

The premier does, in fact, favour expanding some targeted programmes for importing foreign labour. He wants more outsiders to fill low-wage jobs where shortages are acute – from construction workers to nannies
 
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