OT the two aussie DJ's

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I get the impression you've read some of the posts on the thread but are struggling to analyse the arguments being set forth.

They are being blamed for her death because they made the phone call, and revelled in it.

some people think steve coogan is funny. there is no accounting for taste. evidently they feel responsible and they feel ****. wouldn't anyone? but they're being vilified and treated like murderers by people who have never ever made the slightest mistake in their whole lives.
 
This is a difficult one -

Remember as a teenager my cousin had a girlfriend who had been to elocution lessons and could talk rather posh whilst also having a great deal of front... we had hours of fun getting her to call local numbers picked at random from the phone book pretending to be from BT and following up on complaints about faulty lines in the area - in order to test the line she would ask the call recipients to whistle down the phone - holding it out whiere the rest of us teenagers could hear whilst trying to stifle our giggles and not give the game away - eventually of course we did, and the reactions of those on the other end ranged from enjoying the prank and laughing themselves to apoplectic rage and threats that we would be hunted down and torn apart etc .. you couldn't trace calls in those days of course ..

Now at the time I thought it was really really funny .. now I realise it was just childish humour ,,, never crossed our minds that we might be really upsetting people ..

This incident with the Aussie DJs reminds me of those times ... but as adults perhaps they should have known better than to play such a childish prank in the first place ... but I don't hold them responsible for the tragic death .. that is something to do with the psyche of the unfortunate woman herself .. whether it is a cultural thing or a personality trait I don't know ... but her reaction was definitely extreme and begs the question was she likely to react to anything else - criticism of work performance etc - in such an extreme way? .. I don't know ... just saying ...
 
some people think steve coogan is funny. there is no accounting for taste. evidently they feel responsible and they feel ****. wouldn't anyone? but they're being vilified and treated like murderers by people who have never ever made the slightest mistake in their whole lives.

Their actions have (partly or wholly) led to this woman topping herself.

Not many of us can say that, maybe that's why we can 'point the finger' at them?

If I overtake on a blind bend and kill a pedestrian, could I say "It's not my fault. How was I to know the pedestrian was crossing? There isn't usually. I was in a hurry. Most people overtake and think it's Ok to do it at this bend etc"

You see what an utterly ****ish defence that is? "How was I to know?"
 
This is a difficult one -

Remember as a teenager my cousin had a girlfriend who had been to elocution lessons and could talk rather posh whilst also having a great deal of front... we had hours of fun getting her to call local numbers picked at random from the phone book pretending to be from BT and following up on complaints about faulty lines in the area - in order to test the line she would ask the call recipients to whistle down the phone - holding it out whiere the rest of us teenagers could hear whilst trying to stifle our giggles and not give the game away - eventually of course we did, and the reactions of those on the other end ranged from enjoying the prank and laughing themselves to apoplectic rage and threats that we would be hunted down and torn apart etc .. you couldn't trace calls in those days of course ..

Now at the time I thought it was really really funny .. now I realise it was just childish humour ,,, never crossed our minds that we might be really upsetting people ..

This incident with the Aussie DJs reminds me of those times ... but as adults perhaps they should have known better than to play such a childish prank in the first place ... but I don't hold them responsible for the tragic death .. that is something to do with the psyche of the unfortunate woman herself .. whether it is a cultural thing or a personality trait I don't know ... but her reaction was definitely extreme and begs the question was she likely to react to anything else - criticism of work performance etc - in such an extreme way? .. I don't know ... just saying ...


Not a bad post from you (for once).

There may well have been other factors (domestic, cultural, professional, personal etc) but the cowardly evasion of responsibility by the DJs and their apologists (even on here) is baffling.

They haven't got a leg to stand on legally, ethically or morally.
 
Their actions have (partly or wholly) led to this woman topping herself.

Not many of us can say that, maybe that's why we can 'point the finger' at them?

If I overtake on a blind bend and kill a pedestrian, could I say "It's not my fault. How was I to know the pedestrian was crossing? There isn't usually. I was in a hurry. Most people overtake and think it's Ok to do it at this bend etc"

You see what an utterly ****ish defence that is? "How was I to know?"

That's a ****e example.

You've committed the deed ffs! You're in control of the car, you've done the dodgy manuoevre in a daft place, and you're the driver whose killed the pedestrian. Just because the pedestrian was on the crossing at the wrong place at the wrong time, it doesn't matter.

They've just phoned up the hospital and 2 days later she hanged herself. They didn't actually assist in her death. Therefore they aren't legally culpable.

If someone commits suicide because his missus leaves him, is it the woman's fault? No.
 
That's a ****e example.

You've committed the deed ffs! You're in control of the car, you've done the dodgy manuoevre in a daft place, and you're the driver whose killed the pedestrian. Just because the pedestrian was on the crossing at the wrong place at the wrong time, it doesn't matter.

They've just phoned up the hospital and 2 days later she hanged herself. They didn't actually assist in her death. Therefore they aren't legally culpable.

If someone commits suicide because his missus leaves him, is it the woman's fault? No.

Clearly not every prank call results in a suicide, but this one did.

Or are you saying their call had nowt to do with it?
 
To put it bluntly, you're wrong. Anything involing the royal family and the sharing of sensitive information means she would have lost her job and never work in such a situation again. Simple as.

yes agree. They would have either sacked her or moved her somewhere else.
 
you just can't see it, can you? i had you down as far more intelligent than this.

has the nurse who actually gave out the information lost her job?

the answer is no, and that proves that everything you're saying is rubbish.

obviously she won't now because of what happened.
 
A spokeswoman for the hospital said the hospital management "were very clear that there were no disciplinary issues in this matter".

Both the nurses involved had been offered "full support" and "it was made clear they were victims of a cruel journalistic trick", she said.

was that statement issued after her suicide or before ?
 
Clearly not every prank call results in a suicide, but this one did.

Or are you saying their call had nowt to do with it?

Next you'll say the choreographer and singer of Gangnam Style are guilty for the death of that middle aged bloke at the party where he keeled over.

Nobody knows what was going through her head at the time.
 
you just can't see it, can you? i had you down as far more intelligent than this.

has the nurse who actually gave out the information lost her job?

the answer is no, and that proves that everything you're saying is rubbish.

The nurse giving out the information is of the opinion that they call has already been vetted. Once it gets through to her she is supposed to give out information. She did nothing wrong.

As for the statements, Jesus H.... As someone who has worked in the industry for 18 years I think I know the way it works by now. I have personally released countless statements to international media saying one thing when I know full well the reality is completely different. And if I was employed in the hospital comms team every statement I issued would be built around the mantra that no action would be taken against them and she was the victim in the matter.
 
The nurse giving out the information is of the opinion that they call has already been vetted. Once it gets through to her she is supposed to give out information. She did nothing wrong.

As for the statements, Jesus H.... As someone who has worked in the industry for 18 years I think I know the way it works by now. I have personally released countless statements to international media saying one thing when I know full well the reality is completely different. And if I was employed in the hospital comms team every statement I issued would be built around the mantra that no action would be taken against them and she was the victim in the matter.

Well wrote <applause>