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3 weeks to incubate and infected have been on international flights.
50% to 90% mortality rate, that's some nasty s**t. This is the worst breakout in history
They say it is not airborne, but this says research says otherwise. Tiny moisture droplets you inhale and absorb in your airways.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20341423
Canadian scientists have shown that the deadliest form of the ebola virus could be transmitted by air between species.

In experiments, they demonstrated that the virus was transmitted from pigs to monkeys without any direct contact between them.

The researchers say they believe that limited airborne transmission might be contributing to the spread of the disease in some parts of Africa.

They are concerned that pigs might be a natural host for the lethal infection.
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What we suspect is happening is large droplets - they can stay in the air, but not long, they don't go far. But they can be absorbed in the airway”

Dr Gary Kobinger Public Health Agency of Canada

Ebola viruses cause fatal haemorrhagic fevers in humans and many other species of non human primates.

Details of the research were published in the journal Scientific Reports.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the infection gets into humans through close contact with the blood, secretions, organs and other bodily fluids from a number of species including chimpanzees, gorillas and forest antelope.

The fruit bat has long been considered the natural reservoir of the infection. But a growing body of experimental evidence suggests that pigs, both wild and domestic, could be a hidden source of Ebola Zaire - the most deadly form of the virus.

Now, researchers from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency and the country's Public Health Agency have shown that pigs infected with this form of Ebola can pass the disease on to macaques without any direct contact between the species.

In their experiments, the pigs carrying the virus were housed in pens with the monkeys in close proximity but separated by a wire barrier. After eight days, some of the macaques were showing clinical signs typical of ebola and were euthanised.

One possibility is that the monkeys became infected by inhaling large aerosol droplets produced from the respiratory tracts of the pigs.

One of the scientists involved is Dr Gary Kobinger from the National Microbiology Laboratory at the Public Health Agency of Canada. He told BBC News this was the most likely route of the infection.


"What we suspect is happening is large droplets - they can stay in the air, but not long, they don't go far," he explained.

"But they can be absorbed in the airway and this is how the infection starts, and this is what we think, because we saw a lot of evidence in the lungs of the non-human primates that the virus got in that way."

The scientists say that their findings could explain why some pig farmers in the Philippines had antibodies in their system for the presence of a different version of the infection called Ebola Reston. The farmers had not been involved in slaughtering the pigs and had no known contact with contaminated tissues.

Dr Kobinger stresses that the transmission in the air is not similar to influenza or other infections. He points to the experience of most human outbreaks in Africa.

"The reality is that they are contained and they remain local, if it was really an airborne virus like influenza is it would spread all over the place, and that's not happening."
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The authors believe that more work needs to be done to clarify the role of wild and domestic pigs in spreading the virus. There have been anecdotal accounts of pigs dying at the start of human outbreaks. Dr Kobinger believes that if pigs do play a part, it could help contain the virus.

"If they do play a role in human outbreaks it would be a very easy point to intervene" he said. "It would be easier to vaccinate pigs against Ebola than humans."

Other experts in the field were concerned about the idea that Ebola was susceptible to being transmitted by air even if the distance the virus could travel was limited. Dr Larry Zeitlin is the president of Mapp Biopharmaceuticals.

"It's an impressive study that not only raises questions about the reservoir of Ebola in the wild, but more importantly elevates concerns about ebola as a public health threat," he told BBC News. "The thought of airborne transmission is pretty frightening."

At present, an outbreak of ebola in Uganda has killed at least two people near the capital Kampala. Last month, Uganda declared itself Ebola-free after an earlier outbreak of the disease killed at least sixteen people in the west of the country.

unless I am mistaken, that makes it airborne even if temporarily. Someone sneezing on a plane would infect a few people, maybe more. This is really serious.
 
My wife was saying to me tonight how much shes scared of this, she thinks a virus will wipe out humans if anything and not war. She might not be wrong!
 
Reports of it showing up in Atlanta Georgia in the US, not confirmed but that's coming from a US radio station I listen to. They say it is confirmed but I don't know.
 
I was starting to get worried about this, but now Sisu has done this post I feel happier that it will blow over.
 
Sisu, you should be banned!

You truly are a stupid ****.

Ebola is a serious issue but it does not need your usual sensationalist conspiratorial approach to any discussion about it!!

If you bothered to do any proper research then you'd know that the reports from Atlanta are in relationship to the repatriation of a suspected US citizen - not any breakout of the virus in the US. But then you'd say that was just a cover story hey!

It's fools and idiots like you that spread panic. You should be bloody ashamed of yourself.
 
Airborne or not, it is terrifying that a lethal virus is less than 24 hours from pretty much any point on the globe.

It'd need to mutate to become airborne, but at the same time, that's not impossible.

Sisu, which news agency was reporting cases over here? I've not heard anything.
 
Lad this ain't a new thing it's a fast killer. This is why thus far it's outbreaks in Africa don't go furthermore

However I can see the hysteria as USA films all show stupid Americans running about so the country gets infected in 5 mins


Think of the medicine San frontier doctors going over volunteering to help poor people do they think it's airborne.... Nope. Are they dropping nope. Just have sympathy with victims for now and not worry about us here
 
Ebola is spread through contact with bodily fluids. Good hygiene causes it to die out. The problem in Africa is partly cultural. They always wash a body before burial so if the deceased died of Ebola then they have close contact when they wash the body. As so many die the locals are also very suspicious of notifying cases as they see people taken into isolation and then the majority die therefore they associate the isolation with the persons death and tend not to report cases allowing it to spread.

The more remote the community the less educated to the disease they tend to be.

Sisu scaremongering is not on. Ebola is not like Spanish flu which killed more people in Europe after WW1 than the actual war did
 
I was starting to get worried about this, but now Sisu has done this post I feel happier that it will blow over.


My post only included scientific research results by SCIENTISTS.

It was in the interests of safety as this should be told to everyone. Especially if it arrives in the UK, which given the picture of infection spread is a month old due to the 3 week incubation period of the virus.

ignoring all of that because I posted it is silly.
 
Airborne or not, it is terrifying that a lethal virus is less than 24 hours from pretty much any point on the globe.

It'd need to mutate to become airborne, but at the same time, that's not impossible.

Sisu, which news agency was reporting cases over here? I've not heard anything.

As for "not possible". I have no reason to doubt the assumptions of the scientists in Canada, it does not need to mutate, you are not getting it, the virus does not float about in the air, it is contained in fluid from your body, the respiratory tract, tiny droplets that remain airborne temporarily when you sneeze or cough, this IS exchanging fluids, can't you understand that. if someone infected sits next to you on a plane and starts coughing you inhale those aerosols you can get infected. You have created a dangerous misconception by saying what you said should it arrive in the UK, it could already have..

The rejection of common sense, information ect because I posted this is ridiculous. This is a deadly virus ffs.

The source, as I said, I deem it unconfirmed.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...rus-confirmed-in-atlanta-georgia-3003924.html
 
Do you reckon Sisu gets any f**ing sleep at night? <laugh>


<laugh> Sleep, what's that.


A quote from the last article I posted for "balance"

"just a 3.5% risk of catching the illness if you were sitting in those seats. A handful of other studies, looking at measles and TB, also suggest that in-flight transmission rates are similarly low. From studies such as these, Oxford says that &#8220;the biggest risk is not on the plane, but in the taxi on the way to the airport&#8221;."

So this is the CDC and researchers at Oxford agreeing, a 3.5% chance you could get infected.

But, given there are over 200 people on flights, and the number of flights they take that 3.5% starts to look not so benign
 
This has been well documented. Nothing new here, Sisu. The article clearly says the virus is aerosol-borne and therefore NOT air-borne. Its limited short-range transmission in minute liquid droplets (aerosols) has been known as long as Ebola has.

I do admit, though, that Ebola is a worrying disease. Very nasty way to die*. If it does become air-borne, we have a possible second Spanish 'flu' on our hands. However, the study of virology has revealed far, far worse viruses. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, to be honest.



*A virologist colleague of mine works with Ebola, and once was locked away in a military virology quarantine room with a bottle of whiskey for the night to see if he was going to live or die. <yikes> He says it was the longest and worst night of his life. (To date, anyway, as he still works with the virus!). Not that he remembers the tail end of the night as he was wasted out of his mind by then! Luckily, he woke up with only a killer hangover and no signs of infection. I'd have quit, personally, but he loves his work. He's not a quitter like me. <laugh>