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Let’s say there was a hung parliament, and then a second referendum, let’s say remain win that by say 53-47. Lots of ifs.

The people voted to remain.

You could argue it was undemocratic to have a second referendum when the result of the first one wasn’t enacted. But the people now 3 1/2 years on have changed their minds,

what would be democratic then? Best out of 3? Toss a coin? Penalty shoot out (best not, the Germans would win).

Bearing in mind we would have a hung parliament... could the leavers in Parliament stop us ‘remaining’?

what would people think was ‘democratic’ in those circumstances.
For me, this question is like saying what if the Brexit party or Lib Dem’s gain power, it just isn’t going to happen. Conservatives better walk this election and IF Labour gain power under Corbyn Brexit or Remain will seem minuscule compared to the rest of the problems we’ll suffer under him.
 
Did anyone watch the Boris v Corbyn debate on ITV?

Boris has nothing to gain and everything to lose in these debates and I felt he didn’t fair too well in the first one.

wouldn’t change my mind but if there are a few undecided they might have edged away from Boris. It’s obvious Corbyn is going to attempt to attract first time voters.
I think having these forms of TV debates trivialises politics to the point of it becoming entertainment akin to a beauty pageant or big brother.
 
For me, this question is like saying what if the Brexit party or Lib Dem’s gain power, it just isn’t going to happen. Conservatives better walk this election and IF Labour gain power under Corbyn Brexit or Remain will seem minuscule compared to the rest of the problems we’ll suffer under him.
There are many ways to "gain power" in the first past the post system. Just look to the DUP in the last parliament.
 
Well that just goes to show how wrong I can be.
I have many friends who voted remain but believe we should do what we voted for. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't accept the result of another vote.
If, and it makes me shudder to even consider it, Labour won the election, I would accept Corbyn as PM, Abbott as Home Sec etc..... Just until I sold my house and found some other country to live in :)
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ge-business-manifesto-mcdonnell-a9208801.html

Another example of a ridiculous, ill conceived idea from Labour. What about the actual mechanics of delisting a company? What about the shareholders, the employees, the customers? It's absolutely crazy from a man who hasn't spent any time earning money for this country. He just takes it.
I think there are processes in place now to delist companies that fail to meet specific financial parameters. These rules are known and warning are issued when companies breach them, I understand. If environmental criteria were added to these purely financial triggers for delisting then I could see how it would be possible. This is the basis of the triple bottom line accounting system where Financial, Social and Environmental parameters are reported annually. A lot of companies currently do this. Delisting would mean that the shareholders still owned the shares etc and life would continue but trading of these shares would become more difficult as they would be privately rather than publicly traded and so issuing more shares to raise money more complicated. I suspect it's a big stick to encourage companies to act responsibly towards the environment. It's easily avoided though by moving your listing from London to one that doesn't have these constraints (I don't know how difficult this move would be). Not good for the London Stock exchange potentially.
 
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I think there are processes in place now to delist companies that fail to meet specific financial parameters. These rules are known and warning are issued when companies breach them, I understand. If environmental criteria were added to these purely financial triggers for delisting then I could see how it would be possible. This is the basis of the triple bottom line accounting system where Financial, Social and Environmental parameters are reported annually. A lot of companies currently do this. Delisting would mean that the shareholders still owned the shares etc and life would continue but trading of these shares would become more difficult as they would be privately rather than publicly traded and so issuing more shares to raise money more complicated. I suspect it's a big stick to encourage companies to act responsibly towards the environment. It's easily avoided though by moving your listing from London to one that doesn't have these constraints (I don't know how difficult this move would be). Not good for the London Stock exchange potentially.
Only if their share price drops below a certain level. It is only if a company is involved in a takeover or a merger or the management want to take it private.
What Labour is proposing could mean that BP is delisted from the FTSE 100!
It's just ludicrous
 
Only if their share price drops below a certain level. It is only if a company is involved in a takeover or a merger or the management want to take it private.
What Labour is proposing could mean that BP is delisted from the FTSE 100!
It's just ludicrous
I suppose it depends what your view is on climate change. If you feel it is all right for a company to take out natural resources, increase greenhouse gas emmisions etc for the benefit of their shareholders then that is one position. Another position could be that it is fine to do business the way companies act now but the consequences of causing polution etc for short term profits should be taken into account in the trading value and those companies that act more responsibility in relation to the environment and social issues should be rewarded, in order to set a level playing field for all companies. I don't think it is ludicrous In fact TBL is a way of holding companies to account for the environmental, social and financial promises they make to their shareholders. Your example of BP is unlikely to occur as they are an adopter of the TBL.
 
I have many friends who voted remain but believe we should do what we voted for. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't accept the result of another vote.
If, and it makes me shudder to even consider it, Labour won the election, I would accept Corbyn as PM, Abbott as Home Sec etc..... Just until I sold my house and found some other country to live in :)
F*ck off, Blono, don't you even think about it. <yikes><yikes>
 
I suppose it depends what your view is on climate change. If you feel it is all right for a company to take out natural resources, increase greenhouse gas emmisions etc for the benefit of their shareholders then that is one position. Another position could be that it is fine to do business the way companies act now but the consequences of causing polution etc for short term profits should be taken into account in the trading value and those companies that act more responsibility in relation to the environment and social issues should be rewarded, in order to set a level playing field for all companies. I don't think it is ludicrous In fact TBL is a way of holding companies to account for the environmental, social and financial promises they make to their shareholders. Your example of BP is unlikely to occur as they are an adopter of the TBL.
You obviously didn't see my posts on the climate change thread :)
I think the climate has been hijacked by a political and media hysteria. It has become like a religion that cannot be questioned.
The science isn't proven. Is CO2 the cause or the symptom? How much of a part does water vapour, methane and other greenhouse gases play? How much of the 0.9 degree warming since pre industrial times is natural?
These questions aren't being asked. I'm not a denier, I'm a skeptic.
 
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You obviously didn't see my posts on the climate change thread :)
I think the climate has been hijacked by a political and media hysteria. It has become like a religion that cannot be questioned.
The science isn't proven. Is CO2 the cause or the symptom? How much of a part does water vapour, methane and other greenhouse gases play? How much of the 0.9 degree warming since pre industrial times is natural?
These questions aren't being asked. I'm not a denier, I'm a skeptic.
I did see your posts hence why I said it depends on your view well how about we just call it a corporate behaving properly index?
 
You obviously didn't see my posts on the climate change thread :)
I think the climate has been hijacked by a political and media hysteria. It has become like a religion that cannot be questioned.
The science isn't proven. Is CO2 the cause or the symptom? How much of a part does water vapour, methane and other greenhouse gases play? How much of the 0.9 degree warming since pre industrial times is natural?
These questions aren't being asked. I'm not a denier, I'm a skeptic.
I would agree with you, I had to laugh watching the news the other day which covered the Green Party manifesto, basically they plan to have the UK totally emission free by 2030, in order to achieve this they will borrow £100b a year(**** knows who from) but reckon by introducing a tax on meat it will pay for itself, no doubt formula 1 racing is for the high jump if these beardy freaks(and thats just the ladies) get into power.<cheers>
 
How is everyone going to vote next month?

I’m voting Conservative. The other options are a bunch of undemocratic, unelectable ****s (apart from the Brexit Party. A few of their candidates elected into Parliament would be good but they’re not standing in my constituency as it’s already Tory)
 
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I’m voting Conservative. The other options are a bunch of undemocratic, unelectable ****s (apart from the Brexit Party. A few of their candidates elected into Parliament would be good but they’re not standing in my constituency as it’s already Tory)
Would never, ever vote tory as I have a conscience & a memory.

Agree that the alternative is to vote for clowns. Quite a quandary, but have got a get out of jail card as I've left it too late to get a postal vote as I've off on holibags tomorrow.

However ....

.... this tweet has sharpened my thinking. I could put up with one of the other clowns, as their temporary fukkups are correctable. Losing the NHS is not correctable, and the rumours appear to be firming up as fact now. The views in this clip are those of medical professionals, not lunatic lefties. They should be listened to.....

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Would never, ever vote tory as I have a conscience & a memory.

Agree that the alternative is to vote for clowns. Quite a quandary, but have got a get out of jail card as I've left it too late to get a postal vote as I've off on holibags tomorrow.

However ....

.... this tweet has sharpened my thinking. I could put up with one of the other clowns, as their temporary fukkups are correctable. Losing the NHS is not correctable, and the rumours appear to be firming up as fact now. The views in this clip are those of medical professionals, not lunatic lefties. They should be listened to.....

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Sorry mate but that’s just a load of scaremongering bollocks and I’m ****ing sick of it.
 
Sorry mate but that’s just a load of scaremongering bollocks and I’m ****ing sick of it.
Hope you get better soon then, 'cos the NHS might not be there to help you soon. <whistle>

Is it scaremongering? Have you checked their facts against the 'facts' of the tories?

I doubt it.
 
If actually never ever vote Labour for exactly the same reasons.
I get that.

Frankly, this is the most wide-open GE we've ever had. Brexit crosses party lines & we have 2 knobs leading the biggest parties. Result may be unknown at this point, but the outcome is very well known - disaster. We just don't know what flavour yet. We're becoming Italy. <doh>