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dbc said:
From the same speech

It is not my purpose to stir controversy, but the truth must be spoken. The ultra Brexiteers have been mistaken – wrong –in nearly all they have said or promised to the British people.

The promises of more hospitals, more schools, lower taxes, more money for transport were electioneering fantasy. The £350 million a week for the NHS was a ridiculous phantom: the reality is if our economy weakens – as is forecast – there will not only be less money for the NHS, but for all our public services.

We were told that nobody was threatening our place in the Single Market. That tune has changed.

We were told that a trade deal with the EU would be easy to get. Wrong again: it was never going to be easy, and we are still not sure what outcome will be achieved.

We were told “Europe can whistle for their money” and we would not pay a penny in exit costs. Wrong again. Europe didn’t even have to purse her lips before we agreed to pay £40 billion to meet legitimate liabilities.

I could go on. But suffice to say that every one of the Brexitpromises is – to quote Henry Fielding – “a very wholesome and comfortable doctrine to which (there is) but one objection: namely, that it is not true.”.

People should pause and reflect: if the Brexit leaders were wrong in what they said so enthusiastically before – are they not likely to be wrong in what they say now?
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Well said that man.
 
chippy / glory said:
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So basically he is saying Chesh should stop lying to us and start sucking it up.
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I'm not sure he mentioned him directly but I think this answer in the Q&A might have been a Major hint in that direction

Q: What do you say to people who think the warnings made remain in the referendum have not come to pass and hence will not take you seriously?

Major accepts that is an issue. Some people in the campaign over-egged the threats, he says, when they were talking about long-term economic impacts.

But now almost all experts say Brexit will be bad for the economy, he says.

Personally, he is rather in favour of experts. If he has to have a tooth pulled, he would rather go to someone who has done it before, he says.

Major says Brexit will hurt people “at the bottom of the heap” first.
 
dbc said:
I'm not sure he mentioned him directly but I think this answer in the Q&A might have been a Major hint in that direction

Q: What do you say to people who think the warnings made remain in the referendum have not come to pass and hence will not take you seriously?

Major accepts that is an issue. Some people in the campaign over-egged the threats, he says, when they were talking about long-term economic impacts.

But now almost all experts say Brexit will be bad for the economy, he says.

Personally, he is rather in favour of experts. If he has to have a tooth pulled, he would rather go to someone who has done it before, he says.

Major says Brexit will hurt people “at the bottom of the heap” first.
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So in short the obvious conclusions to be drawn are: Chesh is a masochist and OLOF wasn't bright enough to spot the bullshit.
I have to say the grey man has exceeded my expectations of him.
 
chippy / glory said:
So in short the obvious conclusions to be drawn are: Chesh is a masochist and OLOF wasn't bright enough to spot the bullshit.
I have to say the grey man has exceeded my expectations of him.
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2020VisionofLeeds said:
This is actually a huge thing. Don’t underestimate it, ex Prime Ministers do not criticise openly the performance and policies of a sitting PM of the same party. They just don’t do it, yes they have minor comments but this is a major attack
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Meanwhile on a busy Brexit day Theresa May tries to sneak out information on yet another concession in a Home Office Brexit Policy paper https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nts-residency-rights-during-brexit-transition
 
2020VisionofLeeds said:
This is actually a huge thing. Don’t underestimate it, ex Prime Ministers do not criticise openly the performance and policies of a sitting PM of the same party. They just don’t do it, yes they have minor comments but this is a major attack
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Major is a very very bitter man trying to get his own back.
 
2 pennth said:
Major is a very very bitter man trying to get his own back.
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He has no issue with Theresa May, it’s more the IDS type of people he hates

And whatever issues he has, he has had them for a long time and been well behaved. That does not detract from how stunning this intervention is.

Rather than attack the man, see this for what it is, an attack on a policy and approach, not on May herself
 
2 pennth said:
Major is a very very bitter man trying to get his own back.
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From the Q&A

Q: As PM you complained about people undermining you. So why are you undermining the PM? And will you quit the party?

Major says he has no intention of quitting the party he has belonged to since he was 16. He says he is trying to put the party on the right course. And he points out that he hardly mentioned Theresa May in his speech.


That's obviously Major's take and other disagree

Rees-Mogg said this afternoon on his blog:

Did John Major give a free vote on Maastricht? This is where he really is guilty of being a complete humbug. He whipped that through in the most aggressive whipping in modern history. For that PM to then say ‘oh it should be a free vote’, is either forgetting how he behaved himself, ignoring how he behaved himself, or just straight forward hypocrisy.
 
2020VisionofLeeds said:
He has no issue with Theresa May, it’s more the IDS type of people he hates

And whatever issues he has, he has had them for a long time and been well behaved. That does not detract from how stunning this intervention is.

Rather than attack the man, see this for what it is, an attack on a policy and approach, not on May herself
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Ever heard the phrase slowly slowly catchee monkey
 
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