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Yes, but if you'll forgive the facetious nature of my post that you quoted, tbf, that's because we all see the game subjectively. I accept that many refereeing decisions are by nature subjective, but consistency is the key. But if you're saying things can not work because of subjective differences, then even every park referee is ****ed, never mind VAR.

Look, what it all boils down to in this one instance is this - the lino made a call from an angle where he had no way of judging the goalie's line of sight. Oliver agreed it was right because Robbo was 'close' to him, though he made no effort to judge the keeper's view, nor whether Robbo was actually impeding the goalie's dive (he wasn't). He just took the easy option and rubber-stamped the on-field subjective call because the player was 'close' to the goalie. Well, if that's the standard (endorsed, of course, by Howard Webb now and the PGMOL [as they always do in Oliver calls]) then there is absolutely no purpose of VAR at all except in 'objective' calls, but, given the call against Brentford for a pen by Virgil, and Bobby's 'Armpit' goal some seasons ago, even those are subjective in that it relies upon the VAR operator judging when the cross - in this instance from Robbo - is actually played, and when the contact by Virgil close to the line specifically happened, not when the attacker's foot still carried onto after the initial touch.
But therein lies the problem. As Solid pointed out, we can't agree amongst ourselves half the time and we all want the same thing. Expecting these things is a forlorn hope, as people are all different. So long as anything is open to interpretation it will be interpreted differently, not only by different people but sometimes by the same person at different times - such is the quirkiness of human nature.
We have to get used to it because it'll never change.
 
I was reading a Liverpool fan website recently and one of the contributors said that for all those who say it sucks the joy out of celebrating a goal, if you look at it another way, those goals that go to VAR and are upheld, means you get to celebrate twice.

A different take from all the ones I've already heard.
 
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Absolutely spot on regarding Oliver. He's the Emperor's New Clothes of refereeing, and the media outlets are very much to blame for this preposterous myth that had developed around him, especially in his early career, that he was some sort of young, shining talent in the game. He wasn't then, he isn't now, and he'll never be such.

But, as Goldbridge accurately identifies, it's his arrogance and certainty that make him stand out in a sea of mediocrity in the PGMOL: he's no better (even worse) than everyone else, but somehow there's a cult that has fallen for his unjustified self-belief, and that includes swathes of the media, and even ex-players and pundits themselves.

Complete charlatan of a man - the Gilderoy Lockhart of British football.
 
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Goldbridge calls for PGMOL personnel to be sacked. Totally agree with him.

IMO, former players should be employed to run the game; I'm not talking about refereeing matches, I'm talking about implementing the rules and overseeing the officiating. Stop sllowing referees (people that have never played the game, probably failed to make the grade at school level) literally ALL the power in what it a multi-billion pound sporting industry!
 
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No Active referees should be used in VAR either retired ones or people trained just for VAR.
That way you don't get the worry of criticising someone who might be judging your decisions next week.
 
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No Active referees should be used in VAR either retired ones or people trained just for VAR.
That way you don't get the worry of criticising someone who might be judging your decisions next week.

I wouldn't even used retired ones; they all stick together in some sort of referees union
 
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I was reading a Liverpool fan website recently and one of the contributors said that for all those who say it sucks the joy out of celebrating a goal, if you look at it another way, those goals that go to VAR and are upheld, means you get to celebrate twice.

A different take from all the ones I've already heard.
Neither of which are as good as a normal celebration
 
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Goldbridge calls for PGMOL personnel to be sacked. Totally agree with him.

IMO, former players should be employed to run the game; I'm not talking about refereeing matches, I'm talking about implementing the rules and overseeing the officiating. Stop sllowing referees (people that have never played the game, probably failed to make the grade at school level) literally ALL the power in what it a multi-billion pound sporting industry!
Trouble is, plenty of ex-players as pundits show they're hardly any better at understanding the game from the outside.
I can't see them being an improvement tbh.
Many of the top managers and coaches were indifferent players themselves and that shows it's really a different skill-set.
I think it's a problem we're stuck with.
 
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Trouble is, plenty of ex-players as pundits show they're hardly any better at understanding the game from the outside.
I can't see them being an improvement tbh.
Many of the top managers and coaches were indifferent players themselves and that shows it's really a different skill-set.
I think it's a problem we're stuck with.

They wouldn't be there to judge incidents, they'd be there the implement the rules and instruct the referees on how they should be implementing them.

Doesn't have to be former players (that was just a spur of the moment suggestion), just a different group that aren't referees and therefore won't 'protect their mates'
 
They wouldn't be there to judge incidents, they'd be there the implement the rules and instruct the referees on how they should be implementing them.

Doesn't have to be former players (that was just a spur of the moment suggestion), just a different group that aren't referees and therefore won't 'protect their mates'
I just think it doesn't matter who you get really, people are just pants at being consistent and impartial.