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moreinjuredthanowen said:
I'd like to see this.

I'd like to see a narrow 4222. Get szobo and wirtz in there and tell macallister and gravenberch to just sit and stay.

Get those full backs who are young and fast running up and down.

Anything bar rinse and repeat this stuff as it leaks like a sieve, theres nothing coming from the strengths of those full backs.

Let's go.
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Yep, like the idea of 4222 too
 
Bodinki said:
I done said it a couple of games into the season, you had your man in Ekitike, signing Isak was a mistake and just disrupted things that didnt need disrupting.
Ekitike looked amazing in the first few games until he was dropped for Isak.
As much as you also probably dont want to hear this part aswell......I think you are missing Trent as a creative outlet.
I am not seeing the same level of trust from your centre backs in Frimpong and Kirkez than I did when it was Trent and Robertson, either.
Van Dijk having lost half a yard of pace and Konate's loss of form isnt helping. (Though Konate looked better against United for me)
All that combined with a lack of physicality in midfield and teams know they can bully you.
I have no doubt you will get it together, attacking wise......you have too much talent in that area not too. It just needs bedding in. Remember Wirtz, Ekitike etc are all new to this league and Isak lacks fitness. That will eventually come together.
Its defensively where you should be worried. Teams are playing through you, and I think if some of the teams in your earlier games had been a bit braver and a little less cautious against you, you might not have gotten that string of wins early on.
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Ekitike wasn't originally 'dropped' for Isak - he was rested in a LC tie against Soton, being saved for the upcoming Prem match against Palace away. The divvy got himself dropped for the Palace game by getting sent off in a meaningless LC tie. He would have started against Palace, for sure.
 
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Bodinki said:
No you needed 2 strikers for sure, but you signed Ekitike for £70m so he should be your main man.
You shouldnt then go spend £125m on another striker because then the pressure is on the manager to play him, even when the £70m guy is kicking arse!
Bottom line is, if you spend £125m on a player, you cant then bench him, really! And so the manager ends up having to bench Ekitike, which in hindsight looks a bad move. Unless he can get them playing together.
What you should have done is signed Ekitike and someone like Delap, who we signed, for £30m, who can do a job but wont be expecting to start every week.
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I said at the time i'd much rather we spent the money on 2 or 3 players as imo our squad is pretty thin which has been made worse by the Leoni injury .
 
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johnsonsbaby said:
After my eyes have recovered from reading white text on black background :confused: why do people do that? .... I have to say he's reiterating what practically every Liverpool fan is saying. It's glaringly obvious to everyone - except those who can do something about it.
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Your settings must be that way. Do you have a dormant Twitter account? (I have three now that I don't use).
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
I'd like to see this.

I'd like to see a narrow 4222. Get szobo and wirtz in there and tell macallister and gravenberch to just sit and stay.

Get those full backs who are young and fast running up and down.

Anything bar rinse and repeat this stuff as it leaks like a sieve, theres nothing coming from the strengths of those full backs.

Let's go.
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Why not just go 4-4-2?
 
Ivan Dobsky said:
Why not just go 4-4-2?
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Not the same system. 4222 doesn't have wingers, it's two DM/CM players, two AMs with freedom to move / create and two attackers. The width would come from the FBs...

Ekitike - Isak
Wirtz - - - - Zobo
Mac Alister - Gravenberch
Kerkez - VVD - Konate - Bradley
Alisson​
 
Zanjinho said:
Not the same system. 4222 doesn't have wingers, it's two DM/CM players, two AMs with freedom to move / create and two attackers. The width would come from the FBs...

Ekitike - Isak
Wirtz - - - - Zobo
Mac Alister - Gravenberch
Kerkez - VVD - Konate - Bradley
Alisson​
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Hmm. Good footballers don't need rigid formations, imo. You should be able to switch formations throughout the game, never mind from match to match, just like the great Dutch team of '74. That said, the last few games, the players look utterly dazed and confused (with apologies to Zep), so some Rafa-type management may be in order.
 
Zanjinho said:
Not the same system. 4222 doesn't have wingers, it's two DM/CM players, two AMs with freedom to move / create and two attackers. The width would come from the FBs...

Ekitike - Isak
Wirtz - - - - Zobo
Mac Alister - Gravenberch
Kerkez - VVD - Konate - Bradley
Alisson​
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so would the problems
 
Zanjinho said:
Not the same system. 4222 doesn't have wingers, it's two DM/CM players, two AMs with freedom to move / create and two attackers. The width would come from the FBs...

Ekitike - Isak
Wirtz - - - - Zobo
Mac Alister - Gravenberch
Kerkez - VVD - Konate - Bradley
Alisson​
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so would the problems
 
Look we have strengths.

Attacking full backs who are no utilised.
Genuine powerful attacking cms.
Two real strkers.

What we dont have is pacey wingers.l.any more.

That narrow 4222 makes a lot of sense with the squad we now have
 
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Match day.

We should be licking our chops at the thought of their absolute shambles of a defence.

We are just hoping to get by.

Arsenal just put context on our 3-2 v atletico.

We cant afford anything but a win tonight.

Im going to predict an 8 at 6, a 10 at 2 and of course a Jones at 8.

Absolute mess.
 
Ivan Dobsky said:
Ekitike wasn't originally 'dropped' for Isak - he was rested in a LC tie against Soton, being saved for the upcoming Prem match against Palace away. The divvy got himself dropped for the Palace game by getting sent off in a meaningless LC tie. He would have started against Palace, for sure.
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That game was a figment of your imagination mate. Isak hasn't scored at Anfield yet remember.
 
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RogerisontheHunt said:
Not sure where this idea that Frimpong can't do FB has come from. He played 1 game against one of the highest pressing teams in the league, a game we won btw and neither goal we conceded was his fault.

Bradley is still too young to be consistent and Szob is wasted at RB, plus Frimpong actually overlaps and can cross.
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I really like Zobo at RB but we miss him midfield more than anything we gain by moving him
 
Tiresias said:
Move the ball quick to Jones so he can then fanny about with it and lose any advantage we got from it.
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Jones.

The poor man's wijnaldum

Spin round 5 times then pass it 2 yards.

If prizes were given for being hard to get the ball off they would be top tier.

If Jones adopted a lampard attitude and just ran into the box to score it'd be soemthing. He can finish.

But for me these guys are ****ing killers. They slow everything down.

At least windy knew where to cover and defend. Jonesy is oblivious to that too.
 
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Zanjinho said:
I really like Zobo at RB but we miss him midfield more than anything we gain by moving him
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Hes not great is he? He got a wee bit of pressure on him and was dropping 10 yards and panicking.

You cant be at that. Being a full back is not all about being on the ball.

The game is still simple.

Make tackles, block crosses then make good runs forward.

We seem to want the full back to be simultaneously a cm, an inside forward and also be in position to stop wingers attacking us. Its physically impossible.

We have bought two attacking full backs but wont set the side up to push them on.

We want to push the two cms on.

Its like fat ange shaved his head and replaced slot over the summer.

If I didn't know for a fact fat ange was at trent bridge for a month I would have said he was managing lfc for the past month.

Close the gaps. Hold the lines. Compress the play.

The likes of szobo just panic and drop deeper. You need bravery to be a defender and keep the line up. You need cms in their proper spots making play as well .
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Hes not great is he? He got a wee bit of pressure on him and was dropping 10 yards and panicking.

You cant be at that. Being a full back is not all about being on the ball.

The game is still simple.

Make tackles, block crosses then make good runs forward.

We seem to want the full back to be simultaneously a cm, an inside forward and also be in position to stop wingers attacking us. Its physically impossible.

We have bought two attacking full backs but wont set the side up to push them on.

We want to push the two cms on.

Its like fat ange shaved his head and replaced slot over the summer.

If I didn't know for a fact fat ange was at trent bridge for a month I would have said he was managing lfc for the past month.

Close the gaps. Hold the lines. Compress the play.

The likes of szobo just panic and drop deeper. You need bravery to be a defender and keep the line up. You need cms in their proper spots making play as well .
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It's a new position to him, he's not going to be instantly perfect <laugh>

Reality is, it's a stop gap solution
 
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