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Thailand perhaps

 

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And as I have said before, you live in a free country.. (well free-sih due to labour's excessive CCTV, nanny state, political correctness and email snooping etc) if you don't like your lot at work go and work somewhere else... that's what CAPITALISM is!

Look mate... as i said before my Dad lost his well qualified factory job due to the unions and my mother's job (a nurse) was crippled by them as well. I grew up on a council estate in one of the highest unemployed boroughs in the UK. I feel like i have a right as anybody to question the unions especially people who don't contribute to the taxes that run the country. There is a saying Socialists - bad at spending other peoples money.

See you're avoiding the questions. Do you create wealth that pays for taxes or do you not? If you don't then you shouldn't have an opinion on how the wealth earners want their taxes spent? I suppose you are over the moon with your council tax bill?

At the moment I live in a country that was ruined by the very people that used to give the Labour Unions free holidays. A friend of mine who married a Polish girl who defected in the 80's told me a story of how when she first got to London she walked up to somebody selling the 'socialist worker' and spat in his face. She was so disgusted. If you live or have lived in a socialist country you would have felt the same. You know nothing!!

Live in North Korea if you want to live in a socialist EUtopia!

Now back to the football... something you might know about! Maybe we can talk about the players union or the bosman ruling?

Right I am at home so I can have my say now;

You say you are not a tory yet most of your comments indicate that you are almost certainly right wing (maybe even further right than the tories) - however that is your perogative as you have pointed out this is a free(ish) country. If you had bothered to read earlier in this thread you would also see that I am dissolusioned with New Labour and do not support them.

During my working career (41 years) I have worked in Nationalised, Public Sector and Private Sector industries with local,national,multi national, global companies including Unionised and Non Unionised workplaces. I have also had periods of unemployment mainly due to enforcement of right wing ideology. I have changed my type of work 3 times during my working career (incuding attending Uni to obtain a degree) so I think in general I may know something about this (not just football eh).

In my opinion the more productive private sector companies were unionised where the management had regular dialogue with the unions and thus kept a happy workforce. You may well disagree with this, again that is your perogative. I have seen waste in both private and public sector (more in the public to be fair) however in the public sector I have never heard of anyone being kicked in the face because he would not work overtime after a 60 hour week. Additionally I have not heard of anyone being struck with a chair(by the employer) in the mouth during a meeting.

Personally I agree there are some union men who do not apply common sense, as (see above)some employers do not, but in general the ordinary worker would be worse off without unions but it sounds like that would suit you down to the ground.