O/T Scottish Independence

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  1. TankMarvin

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    So the statement is completely meaningless. An agreement has been reached that some other agreement will need to be reached. Fantastic.

    In fairness that is probably about as much detail as we've had so from the Yes campaign.
     
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  2. Woody

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    I live up in scotland and most people up here consider salmond to be complete tw*t..and no one you would ask to arrange a marriage..however, if you want someone to get the best deal in a divorce..he's ya man. Already the westminster crew are throwing gifts at him. Mind you we all know how trustworthy politicians are..we have student fees, EU referendums and brother stabbing to use as a benchmark of the so called "leaders" reliability to fulfill their pledges. I listened to brown saying in effect, in the inimitable brown manner, if you want change stay the same. I wouldn't trust a single one of them and maybe thats a good reason to vote yes...it won't half shake up the establishment, and doesn't it need a good shaking !
     
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  3. Tel

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    It's perfectly ok for you to assume though....? You're a clever chap.

    Have you actually got any facts or have you just been reading the propaganda thrown at you by the lads on your side of the fence?

    It's a fact that you don't know many of Scottish people in the armed forces, even if you knew 200 which you don't, it's still only a minor percentage.

    At least come out with something stabilising for your argument, you're all over the place and all any of us are asking for is for you to deal in facts rather than here'say.
     
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  4. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    Seems a little like cutting your nose off to spite your face, I hope the decision is made on a sound basis rather than to shake up the establishment
     
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  5. johnnywarksmoustache

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    So if the Jocks vote yes and Salmond and his cronies then want to negotiate the terms for an Independent Scotland, surely there will have to be an immediate General Election for the remainder of the UK as no political party has a mandate to negotiate terms. Even then before any deal has been reached by the politicians the whole deal will have to be ratified by the English, Welsh and Northern Irish in a referendum. This will be a constitutional disaster and will drag on for years to come!
     
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  6. Billy Death

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    Excellent point that lad.
     
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  7. Mackem-Tiz

    Mackem-Tiz Well-Known Member

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    They wont vote yes. It's never going to happen imho. The yes vote been behind in just about every single poll to date and i honestly think it just wont happen.
    Haven't read every comment on here so appologies if going over old ground but wanting to keep the pound and the Queen etc is akin to asking for a divorce and still wanting a joint bank account!
     
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  8. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    I think its more like asking for a divorce and wanting the assets divided up fairly.

    Expecting them to take their share of the debt but not recognising that the Bank of England was paid for and built up by the entire UK is a bit like telling someone that they can't keep the house but they have to keep paying the mortgage. As for the Queen - it was us who got their monarch not the other way around (James VI of Scotland and James I of England). We have no say over whether she stays Queen of Scotland, just as we have no say over whether she stays Queen of Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Fiji or any other part of her realm or former realm.
     
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  9. johnnywarksmoustache

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    Sorry but you're talking bollox!

    If the Scots leave then they should take their fair share of the debt and be forced to make their own alternative monetary arrangements. They are the ones after all who are turning their back on the Union. You can't have the tail wagging the dog! They seem to want all the benefits of the Union without wanting to contribute. I say fcuk em they won't be missed!
     
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  10. DevAdvocate

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    What part of what I said don't you understand?

    "an agreement has already been reached in principle by both sides, Scotland will get it's fair share of UK Military assets."

    Scotland will get it's share, a fair share as negotiated by both sides. That's been agreed. No one that I know of has argued otherwise or stated what we will and won't get, like Typhoons or Subs or even Soldiers.
     
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  11. DevAdvocate

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    Is that a fact? <laugh>
     
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  12. DevAdvocate

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    And some people wonder why some Scots want independence?
     
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  13. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    I agree they should take their fair share of the debt - and their fair share of everything else too. It is not in our interest to have a neighbouring nation fail. Why do you think we bailed out Ireland? If Scotland goes it alone - which it's their right to choose - then its in our interest that they succeed as an independent nation.
     
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  14. TankMarvin

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    And as I've asked previously, what is "fair share" ?
    Either they have agreed what will be shared or more likely they have agreed that they still need to agree what will be shared. Why would the rUK's idea of "fair share" be the same as the SNPs ?

    No one has argued otherwise because the UK government has stated again and again that they will not discuss details such as share of assets until a yes vote happens. That does not mean Salmond gets everything he claims he is entitled to.


    I love the idea that the Yes campaign use concept of "negotiate" in the same way that the rest of the world uses "demand".

    We'll negotiate a currency union
    We'll negotiate what we believe is our "fair share" of military assets
    We'll negotiate what we want to take

    The SNP appear either supremely arrogant or stupendously naive.
     
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  15. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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  16. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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  17. Billy Death

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    Lol, very good.
    The face is a bit on the slim side though.
     
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  18. Tel

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    I'm willing to say it isn't fact if you can prove it isn't... off you go... prove me wrong.

    Again ignoring things people are stating to get to the real points, the irrelevant stuff.

    You claim that there's agreements 'in principle' (the principle being the 'Yes' vote or the principle being what exactly?). The fact is, your country haven't agreed anything and have made PROPOSITIONS, that are highly likely to be spat back in your face if you go independent.

    I fail to see any form of framework for how your military will be formed, you cannot harbour current employees of HM Forces, it is against human rights. You cannot offer current soldiers the opportunity to defect from the UKAF as each and every soldier must have the opportunity to vote on their fate, meaning you could end up with a bunch of Chefs, Suppliers and PTI's and no **** to fly planes. How are you recruiting? Who will train your techies? Who will train anybody?

    You'll be renting security from the UK Armed Forces, at a rate that will be financially crippling to you, for probably the best part of two decades until you manage to recruit your own complete units.

    Everything you'll need to be secure and survive for the next 20 years is so far from independence it's ridiculous.
     
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  19. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    [video=youtube_share;-YkLPxQp_y0]http://youtu.be/-YkLPxQp_y0[/video]

    Very good ^^^^
     
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  20. its been fun thanks :)

    its been fun thanks :) ♬♬Badum-tish! ♬♬
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    like or hate the fella some (amusing)truths being said here

    [video=youtube;u7VNQih51T0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VNQih51T0#t=182[/video]
     
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