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General Melchett said:
I still think a fair ammount of critisim of AN for this one is unfair. We can only assume Klose was not playing because of some ailment. That leves Bass as our other left CB option. Bass must have at least had an adequate game against Everton as we kept a clean sheet. Bass vs most teams in the championship would have appeared before last night a decent option, not great but as backup certainly I thought adequate. He's had a shocker last night and I can't really defend him, but AN has the squad he has, Bass may have previous of these sort of games, but was actually the lynch pin of our defence under Neil two seasons ago when we got promoted. Bass was so poor for that second goal, I can only imagine that the wind has embarassed him, because it was so ill judged.
At 94 1/2 minutes the Bennett/Murphy substitution had not seemed such a bad call. But individual errors have let him and us down again. But collectively we didn't press the ball well enough in the finale, then we didn't win first or second balls, and with Gayles winner they all just stood off him! The scorer of 2 goals and comfortably most dangerous player in the championship.
If it's down to players fitness then AN has to take some blame. But tactically I'm not convinced he got it wrong last night. Newcastle were a cut above for 30-40 minutes at the start and from our 3rd goal onwards. Maybe we should have stayed as was with Hoolahoop for Tettey, our posession and threat would surely have been enhanced. But then evryone would have jumped on him for not learning from last time.
I think it was in the end what it was,
  1. a display that they certainly have more quality than us.
  2. Without Klose, we are a playoff side at best.
  3. Whilst at times it looked like we could get thrashed we didn't and I think allot of other clubs would have been in the face of that Newcs performance
  4. Hugely disappointing that we could not hold out from that position. But if AN had any doubts about our requirements for defensive reinforcements then I don't think he can deny it any longer.
Bah!
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What possible tactic could he have told Bennett to play at that stage, 'go and stand in the six yard box with the other 10 players', its madness. Any loose brain knows that if you surrender attack and midfield, you give the opposition the advantage and they attack en-mass. Thats 3 games he's done that now and he hasn't learned a thing!! :headbang::headbang::headbang:
 
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General Melchett said:
I still think a fair ammount of critisim of AN for this one is unfair. We can only assume Klose was not playing because of some ailment. That leves Bass as our other left CB option. Bass must have at least had an adequate game against Everton as we kept a clean sheet. Bass vs most teams in the championship would have appeared before last night a decent option, not great but as backup certainly I thought adequate. He's had a shocker last night and I can't really defend him, but AN has the squad he has, Bass may have previous of these sort of games, but was actually the lynch pin of our defence under Neil two seasons ago when we got promoted. Bass was so poor for that second goal, I can only imagine that the wind has embarassed him, because it was so ill judged.
At 94 1/2 minutes the Bennett/Murphy substitution had not seemed such a bad call. But individual errors have let him and us down again. But collectively we didn't press the ball well enough in the finale, then we didn't win first or second balls, and with Gayles winner they all just stood off him! The scorer of 2 goals and comfortably most dangerous player in the championship.
If it's down to players fitness then AN has to take some blame. But tactically I'm not convinced he got it wrong last night. Newcastle were a cut above for 30-40 minutes at the start and from our 3rd goal onwards. Maybe we should have stayed as was with Hoolahoop for Tettey, our posession and threat would surely have been enhanced. But then evryone would have jumped on him for not learning from last time.
I think it was in the end what it was,
  1. a display that they certainly have more quality than us.
  2. Without Klose, we are a playoff side at best.
  3. Whilst at times it looked like we could get thrashed we didn't and I think allot of other clubs would have been in the face of that Newcs performance
  4. Hugely disappointing that we could not hold out from that position. But if AN had any doubts about our requirements for defensive reinforcements then I don't think he can deny it any longer.
Bah!
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For the first 30 minutes or so we used the wrong tactics and were kept in the game by McGoven. We then changed tactics got back in the game and by the second half were 3 - 1 up and looking comfortable. Another change of tactics and a couple of substitutions and we steadily progress from being comfortable to rat sh*t. So 3 different tactics used, 2 of which were not just a bit off, but way off the mark and when we do find a tactic that works and gets us from 1 nil down to 3 - 1 up we change it. Tell me if AN isn't responsible for the tactics who is, because we need to get rid of them.
 
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Cromercanary said:
Why didn't he start with Bennett and Martin? Bennett and Klose are widely accepted as our best CB pairing so why change both because of an injury to one? <yikes>
Your point 4 above is spot on GM - and I hope AN and Alan Irving are busy compiling an 'xmas' shopping short list as we speak.
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He seems to have a downer on Bennett for some reason. Bennett is miles better than Bassong, him and Klose should be our centre back pairing.
 
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General Melchett said:
Hugely disappointing that we could not hold out from that position. But if AN had any doubts about our requirements for defensive reinforcements then I don't think he can deny it any longer. Bah!
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And floggings will continue until moral improves, there's nothing like being stubbon. We don't need reinforcements we need to sort out the heart of our defence and appoint a captain that can galvanise those around him. AN won't see it because he doesn't want to see it, because I suspect he knows that once he accepts the problem is at the heart of our defence he will have have to make a num,ber of unpopular decisions that he doesn't want to make.
 
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At least someone was happy last night

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I think the fact someone, anyone would think to put this bet on says it all for how bad our defense is!

Bah!
 
Cromercanary said:
Why didn't he start with Bennett and Martin? Bennett and Klose are widely accepted as our best CB pairing so why change both because of an injury to one? <yikes>
Your point 4 above is spot on GM - and I hope AN and Alan Irving are busy compiling an 'xmas' shopping short list as we speak.
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They surely are: Haggis, Lorne Sausage, Raw Beef Ham, Glenlivet, Grouse Pate, Scotch Broth , etc, etc ...........
 
carrowcanario said:
And floggings will continue until moral improves, there's nothing like being stubbon. We don't need reinforcements we need to sort out the heart of our defence and appoint a captain that can galvanise those around him. AN won't see it because he doesn't want to see it, because I suspect he knows that once he accepts the problem is at the heart of our defence he will have have to make a num,ber of unpopular decisions that he doesn't want to make.
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THIS!! <ok>
 
carrowcanario said:
But AN picks the players and he picked pretty much the same players who rolled over in several games last season and used the same tactics, so why on earth would he think it was going to be different this season especially against a team that were in the PL with us last season. As I've repeatedly bleated on about for months and months WE NEED TO SORT OUT OUR CB PAIRING without Klose to sort things out at the back we're f***ed. Both Martin & Bassong are clowns and incapable of organising our defence.
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But without Klose he has to pick the same idiots, plus Bennett, as last season. that's all we have.
 
Good honest assessment. For me it was the players, not AN. They had to defend the box for 2 minutes and they didn't. Pretty sure we'll see a new CB and new striker in January, but Jerome did well IMO, and we still have yet to see what Oliveira will provide.
 
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