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Lesta Gangsta said:
Celtic? Are you serious? Since Rangers disappeared they literally have no competition. What is it comparable with? Not many leagues that I can think of! I think the fact you didn't finish that comment says it all. It's like one Premier League side and eleven League One sides.

Yes, I included Pearson in that comment. All those managers have acted unprofessionally at times but all have been successful at their clubs so it gets overlooked. Except at Leicester.
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...couldn't finish the comment due to phone battery issues ... can now - would agree that some footballing 'successes' shouldn't be over-hyped ... would include winning League 1 and even the Championship in that ... I'm assuming, given your comments about Celtics league successes, that you will agree?

... one thing mind does need mentioning - Lenny managed to get Celtic through the initial group stage of Champions League ... and even beat Barcelona ... now that really does merit proper recognition IMHO ...
 
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FosseFilberto said:
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...couldn't finish the comment due to phone battery issues ... can now - would agree that some footballing 'successes' shouldn't be over-hyped ... would include winning League 1 and even the Championship in that ... I'm assuming, given your comments about Celtics league successes, that you will agree?

... one thing mind does need mentioning - Lenny managed to get Celtic through the initial group stage of Champions League ... and even beat Barcelona ... now that really does merit proper recognition IMHO ...
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I'd prefer to look at his time at Bolton which was really unimpressive.

Ask any Bolton fan what they think of him and his playing style and they will reply with a shrug.
 
BigFox said:
I'd prefer to look at his time at Bolton which was really unimpressive.

Ask any Bolton fan what they think of him and his playing style and they will reply with a shrug.
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... not sure why you'd 'prefer' to look at that? ... he was at Celtic for far longer and whilst I completely take the point that the Scottish Prem is uncompetitive he couldn't really do much more than what he did there ... when he came into Bolton they were potential relegation candidates ... he steadied that ship and they also did pretty well against Liverpool in the cup as I recall ... his lack of experience would be a gamble in the Premiership ... but Gary Monk hasn't done too bad has he?
 
FosseFilberto said:
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...couldn't finish the comment due to phone battery issues ... can now - would agree that some footballing 'successes' shouldn't be over-hyped ... would include winning League 1 and even the Championship in that ... I'm assuming, given your comments about Celtics league successes, that you will agree?

... one thing mind does need mentioning - Lenny managed to get Celtic through the initial group stage of Champions League ... and even beat Barcelona ... now that really does merit proper recognition IMHO ...
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As I said, there's nothing to really compare the Scottish league to. The Championship is a billion times more competitive, hence teams like Blackpool and Burnley can as easily go up as down. Even when we won League One, in which we were kind of the Celtic of that division, there were still some big clubs down there with us, including an apparent bigger club (Leeds). So even that was a greater achievement. Europe is the only to judge Celtic and yes, I agree, Lennon does deserve some credit for finishing above similar size clubs Spartak and Benefica in 2012, but they were soundly beaten home and away in the next round.
 
FosseFilberto said:
... not sure why you'd 'prefer' to look at that? ... he was at Celtic for far longer and whilst I completely take the point that the Scottish Prem is uncompetitive he couldn't really do much more than what he did there ... when he came into Bolton they were potential relegation candidates ... he steadied that ship and they also did pretty well against Liverpool in the cup as I recall ... his lack of experience would be a gamble in the Premiership ... but Gary Monk hasn't done too bad has he?
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Probably because of the point I just made above. The Championship is competitive. The SPL is not. Yeah, he couldn't have done too much better at Celtic, but he couldn't have done too much worse either. That's why it's better to look at Bolton, where there was plenty of scope for improvement, but it hasn't really happened.

I take you point about Monk, but would also say that he was also a gamble. We shouldn't be in a position where we need to gamble.
 
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Lesta Gangsta said:
Probably because of the point I just made above. The Championship is competitive. The SPL is not. Yeah, he couldn't have done too much better at Celtic, but he couldn't have done too much worse either. That's why it's better to look at Bolton, where there was plenty of scope for improvement, but it hasn't really happened.

I take you point about Monk, but would also say that he was also a gamble. We shouldn't be in a position where we need to gamble.
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.... wouldn't disagree with your last point ... but the instability we now face is largely self-inflicted .... and the blame for that surely rests with Nigel? ...and improvement at Bolton? ... under Freedmen many Bolton fans feared relegation ... under freedman they did not (per TalkSport discussion tonight on candidates for our managerial vacancy) - I'd agree with that ... and that it constitutes 'improvement'... another thing from that program they referred to 'snobbery' from England about the Scottish leagues and that any manger that could set up a team and game plan to beat Barcelona had demonstrated significant tactical nous ... again I'd agree...
 
FosseFilberto said:
.... wouldn't disagree with your last point ... but the instability we now face is largely self-inflicted .... and the blame for that surely rests with Nigel? ...and improvement at Bolton? ... under Freedmen many Bolton fans feared relegation ... under freedman they did not (per TalkSport discussion tonight on candidates for our managerial vacancy) - I'd agree with that ... and that it constitutes 'improvement'... another thing from that program they referred to 'snobbery' from England about the Scottish leagues and that any manger that could set up a team and game plan to beat Barcelona had demonstrated significant tactical nous ... again I'd agree...
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Pearson didn't quit, so the blame (unless events have taken place that we don't know about) is with the owners.

Lennon had a bit of a honeymoon period with Bolton, but they ultimately finished 18th which has to be regarded as a disappointment.

I don't think the English are snobby about the Scottish league, but the SPL isn't comparable to any English league in terms of competitiveness (not at the top anyway). And I would never judge any manager on one match, whoever they beat. Otherwise we might as well go in for Phil Parkinson.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
Subs on the bench have also gone up from five to seven too. So you need at least 18 first team quality players. Would you say injuries are more commonplace too?
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On simple stats the chance of getting an injury to your starting best 12 as opposed to best 18 must be higher.
But I agree footballers of different generation didn't let minor injuries get in their way. Also today's football we often have rotation system that need more players when some need a rest.
Just to show how football has changed Emlyn Hughes played close to 70 games one season. Nobody in the English League would do the same today.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
Pearson didn't quit, so the blame (unless events have taken place that we don't know about) is with the owners.

Lennon had a bit of a honeymoon period with Bolton, but they ultimately finished 18th which has to be regarded as a disappointment.

I don't think the English are snobby about the Scottish league, but the SPL isn't comparable to any English league in terms of competitiveness (not at the top anyway). And I would never judge any manager on one match, whoever they beat. Otherwise we might as well go in for Phil Parkinson.
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... so Pearson's actions over last season had nothing to do with his departure .. OK <doh> no blame then ..

... finishing 18th after the way Bolton were going under Freedman was disappointing? ... was finishing 14th in the Prem under Pearson after being in the relegation zone for so long still disappointing? - or was it an acheivement to survive?

... who is juding on one match? - beating Barcelona was perhaps the pinnacle but he managed to take Celtic to the Group stage of the Champions League twice ... given how you have written off the standard in the SPL, to manage that with players plying their trade in that league is IMHO a significant managerial acheivement ... Celtic have not had the budget of even mid-table Prem sides for the last decade ...
 
FosseFilberto said:
... so Pearson's actions over last season had nothing to do with his departure .. OK <doh> no blame then ..

... finishing 18th after the way Bolton were going under Freedman was disappointing? ... was finishing 14th in the Prem under Pearson after being in the relegation zone for so long still disappointing? - or was it an acheivement to survive?

... who is juding on one match? - beating Barcelona was perhaps the pinnacle but he managed to take Celtic to the Group stage of the Champions League twice ... given how you have written off the standard in the SPL, to manage that with players plying their trade in that league is IMHO a significant managerial acheivement ... Celtic have not had the budget of even mid-table Prem sides for the last decade ...
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Again, assumption.

Finishing 18th in the Championship for a club that were in the top flight for so long is disappointing. SURVIVING in ANY position in the Premier League after ten years away from it was a fantastic achievement. All in all, they're virtually polar results. Not that it was Lennon's fault mind, but he hardly got miraculous results that make you think he's Prem material.

I'ts not unusual for Celtic to make the group stages of the Champion's League group stages. I wrote off the rest of the SPL, NOT Cletic themselves.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
Again, assumption.

Finishing 18th in the Championship for a club that were in the top flight for so long is disappointing. SURVIVING in ANY position in the Premier League after ten years away from it was a fantastic achievement. All in all, they're virtually polar results. Not that it was Lennon's fault mind, but he hardly got miraculous results that make you think he's Prem material.

I'ts not unusual for Celtic to make the group stages of the Champion's League group stages. I wrote off the rest of the SPL, NOT Cletic themselves.
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... that's worrying ... are you therefore advocating that we should approach Phil Brown fot our vacant manager position? <yikes> .. he did, after all, take Hull City to the Prem for the first time in their history and survived a season ... a fantastic achievement with a more impressive time frame in terms of time away from the top flight <laugh> ...
 
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FosseFilberto said:
... that's worrying ... are you therefore advocating that we should approach Phil Brown fot our vacant manager position? <yikes> .. he did, after all, take Hull City to the Prem for the first time in their history and survived a season ... a fantastic achievement with a more impressive time frame in terms of time away from the top flight <laugh> ...
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It was a fantastic achievement. Luckily for him though, his Hull side gathered enough points before he lost his mind! And people think Pearson struggled to handle the stress! <laugh>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
... that's worrying ... are you therefore advocating that we should approach Phil Brown fot our vacant manager position? <yikes> .. he did, after all, take Hull City to the Prem for the first time in their history and survived a season ... a fantastic achievement with a more impressive time frame in terms of time away from the top flight <laugh> ...
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Would rather have Phil Brown then Preki...
 
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