Nice collection of Vettel overtaking moves

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Rightly pointed out tomcat606, in the immediate post race interview with BBC Vettel admitted his mistake in SPA and apologised for affecting Button, later in the year, in post Abu Dhabi press conference he mentioned calling Button, as well as saying that he acccepted his apology and that he was impressed with Button's attitude. Regarding Canada, I think he was magnanimous enough to wait for Button celebrating with his team to congratule him. As for his not acknowledging Button's win in interview, I think anyone else would have reacted similarly with having lost so much time to SC during the race.
 
Foaad said:
Rightly pointed out tomcat606, in the immediate post race interview with BBC Vettel admitted his mistake in SPA and apologised for affecting Button, later in the year, in post Abu Dhabi press conference he mentioned calling Button, as well as saying that he acccepted his apology and that he was impressed with Button's attitude. Regarding Canada, I think he was magnanimous enough to wait for Button celebrating with his team to congratule him. As for his not acknowledging Button's win in interview, I think anyone else would have reacted similarly with having lost so much time to SC during the race.
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Button didn't when his race was ruined by the SCs in Monaco, Vettel did not seem to mind either that time.
 
I think there is a difference between having more than 30 seconds of lead wiped out over a race and the speculative performance of tyres in the ending stages, specially when nobody expected him to successfully defend for the last 10 laps before the incident either.
 
Foaad said:
I think there is a difference between having more than 30 seconds of lead wiped out over a race and the speculative performance of tyres in the ending stages, specially when nobody expected him to successfully defend for the last 10 laps before the incident either.
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Well in Canada it was really just that Button was on fire in the closing laps that cost Vettel the win, the SCs did not help but it did not directly lose him the race. In Monaco however Button was in control of the race and it was the two SCs that lost him the race, so unlike in Canada with Vettel the SCs did directly cost Button the win in Monaco.
 
In Monaco, the safety car did not hinder Button, rather it reduced the deficit due to his pit stop. I think you have overlooked the fact that Button in the lead had to pit again to use the soft tyre, while Vettel did not and so he was always going to come behind Vettel, SC or not.
 
Foaad said:
In Monaco, the safety car did not hinder Button, rather it reduced the deficit due to his pit stop. I think you have overlooked the fact that Button in the lead had to pit again to use the soft tyre, while Vettel did not and so he was always going to come behind Vettel, SC or not.
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Button was in control of the race in Monaco before the SC, he was on a different strategy but he was making it work he had a lead of I think 18 secs but the SC came out and destroyed his race which he had in control.

Even Vettel admitted it.

Vettel said:
“If there had been no safety car it would have been hard to beat Jenson because he was so far ahead, but there was a safety car.”
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Vettel may have apologized later for taking out Button at spa and acknowledged Button's win at Canada but It wasn't done publicly which defeats the object, and I specifically said In the post race press conference so I have got my facts straight.
 
vettel is the best driver in f1. simple really he is so fast he doesnt need to overatke people most of the time because he is busy running away at the front.

rather that than hamilton who crashes into other drivers in order to try get past them.
 
wakka2 said:
vettel is the best driver in f1. simple really he is so fast he doesnt need to overatke people most of the time because he is busy running away at the front.

rather that than hamilton who crashes into other drivers in order to try get past them.
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Are you forgetting he has the fastest car? Or do you think he magically can make up 2 secs per lap?

And I thought some time ago you supported Alonso and said he was the "best/fastest" out there?... I smell a glory hunter and a troll, but anyway if Hamilton was winning all the time you wouldn't support him anyway! Ha.
 
Prime Minister Cameron said:
Are you forgetting he has the fastest car? Or do you think he magically can make up 2 secs per lap?

And I thought some time ago you supported Alonso and said he was the "best/fastest" out there?... I smell a glory hunter and a troll, but anyway if Hamilton was winning all the time you wouldn't support him anyway! Ha.
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Yes there is a certain type of fan that only support the driver that is winning and changes allegiance the moment somebody else is doing the winning I think you'll find they're called "fair weather fans." And Hamilton doesn't need that kind of support.
 
Mifune said:
Button was in control of the race in Monaco before the SC, he was on a different strategy but he was making it work he had a lead of I think 18 secs but the SC came out and destroyed his race which he had in control
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:undecided:

Button pitted the lap before the safety car came out and was 3rd behind Alonso, about ten seconds behind Vettel. The first safety car benefitted Button (who had a ten second gap to Vettel wiped out) and Alonso (who got a free pitstop out of it, albeit conceding track position to Button). Vettel's quote means nothing, he wouldn't have been able to see Button ahead of him such is the nature of Monaco, and probably assumed he'd reacted to the safety car, but he'd already pitted and taken another set of options. Obviously Vettel got a big reprieve with the red flag, but he'd already suffered through the first safety car and a dodgy pitstop, so he deserved the win as far as I'm concerned.

mephistopheles said:
Vettel may have apologized later for taking out Button at spa and acknowledged Button's win at Canada but It wasn't done publicly which defeats the object, and I specifically said In the post race press conference so I have got my facts straight.
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Surely a private apology directed to the person in question is more sincere than one done in a press conference to a reporter for a bit of good publicity...
 
Surely a private apology directed to the person in question is more sincere than one done in a press conference to a reporter for a bit of good publicity...[/QUOTE]

Thats not the way I see it, apologizing later or not recognizing the winner in the press conference is like not bothering to toast the bride at her wedding and then popping round after the honeymoon to say well done.

It's all about etiquette, and young Vettel doesn't seem to have any, but maybe he will learn.
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
:undecided:

Button pitted the lap before the safety car came out and was 3rd behind Alonso, about ten seconds behind Vettel. The first safety car benefitted Button (who had a ten second gap to Vettel wiped out) and Alonso (who got a free pitstop out of it, albeit conceding track position to Button). Vettel's quote means nothing, he wouldn't have been able to see Button ahead of him such is the nature of Monaco, and probably assumed he'd reacted to the safety car, but he'd already pitted and taken another set of options. Obviously Vettel got a big reprieve with the red flag, but he'd already suffered through the first safety car and a dodgy pitstop, so he deserved the win as far as I'm concerned.
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My initial comment was wrong (bit of brain fade) <doh> but I still think the first SC lost Button the race, Button had pulled out a lead of about 13 secs and Mclaren were intending to put Button out on the option tyres into clean air so he could pull out a further 8 secs (which he could of done because he was lapping about 1/1.5secs quicker than Vettel) for a free pit stop which he could use to go onto the primes and stay first. The SC screwed all this up and instead cost Button an additional pitstop.
 
I can't glory seek. Everone i support never seem to win much. In F1 i support Kamui Kobayashi, because he is the most exciting driver i've seen, in Football i've always been a Gooner, and we haven't won a trophy for years, and in Rugby, I'm a Cardiff Blues fan.
Not the typical Alonso/Hamilton, Man Utd and Leicester kind of guy.
 
Button may have won Monaco, but I doubt it would've finished any different than it did, track position is king, Pirelli stated afterwards that Vettels tyres would've done the distance. Anyone who watched Senna Mansell race knows that if you're quite a bit faster than the car right in front of you it doesn't mean you can get passed them because there's almost no where to do it, protect the inside, as Vettel was doing, and you're laughing. It's why I'd rather it was removed from the calender, dump monaco put in Macao I say.
 
Funny because I can give you 40 minutes of Lewis's Overtakes since GP2 not 3 minutes:

[video=youtube;-cdT6Ox5bSc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cdT6Ox5bSc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]

[video=youtube;yH7Kk37-53Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH7Kk37-53Q&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]

[video=youtube;l6W9HS6PEHg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6W9HS6PEHg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]

[video=youtube;2vcGYuGNPS0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vcGYuGNPS0&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;MbjRFd205qo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbjRFd205qo[/video]
 
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