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One thing I cant get over is the thought that Rodgers may be star struck. Gerard, Johnson, Balotelli and Lovren are all very famous players. Does he just love seeing the names on his team sheet?
 
Sir_Red said:
Other than the fact BR said that all the signings he made (except Balotelli) would have been made regardless of Suarez being sold and were not contingent on him being sold
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He had to say that, as you'd bought them all in before the Suarez sale was complete, to admit anything else would have been admitting that you'd accepted his departure a good while previous to the deal being announced.

There was no way your budget was ever going to be £100m net last summer

You did exactly what Spurs did the previous summer i.e. spend the money first and then announce the sale, to believe anything other is naive.
 
Tobes said:
He had to say that, as you'd bought them all in before the Suarez sale was complete, to admit anything else would have been admitting that you'd accepted his departure a good while previous to the deal being announced.

There was no way your budget was ever going to be £100m net last summer

You did exactly what Spurs did the previous summer i.e. spend the money first and then announce the sale, to believe anything other is naive.
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We lost our best player and have the CL to contend with yet we were only allowed to spend a net £30m. In effect out of the clubs pocket. That's what seems hard to believe, especially when were lead to believe there was a £60m warchest.
 
Look actually if you just analyse their side they got the key signings right but have a small squad but kept the players like clyne, fonte (according to them) Sneiderlin and both tadic, alderweird, and pelle... forester was in and wanyama too so they had work done from previous on that front.

They are just well organised and no nonsense at the back.

If you list their first 11..




It might look great now but if it translates into 6th by the end its a job well done but its still only a one off.

I mean c'mon... everton have tightened the belt many many times over the years and the one year they have a high net spend they had a poor start but are on the way back up too. I'd HALF back everton to catch southampton by the end.

Now I've said just today I'd rather southampton got 4th than arsenal but hey if everton catch them up... good on them too. I'd rather one of them two get there than the perennial arsenal jokes.

Forster
Clyne alderweird Fonte Bertrand (on loan, nobodies giving him credit)
Schneiderlin Wanyama Cork
J Rod/Mane Pelle Tadic

Just for example.

Cork could be dropped to play both jay roriguez and mane but thats not occured yet.

Contrast to 12 months ago.

Boruc
Clyne Lovern Fonte shaw
Schneiderlin Cork Rameriez?
J Rod Lambert Lallana

So.... they SOLD 5 first team players, had already bought wanyama and forester so they had time to settle in they then bought 3 good uns and loaned on full back in!

thats all they did, got the 3 signings right... have they a huge squad... no they do not.


So all in all they'd a solid screen in front of a back 5 thats only got 2 new new members in it... they bought safely there. and they only added tadic and pelle to their attacking line ups but they've worked.

Contrast to lfc throwing stuff at a wall and hoping.. plus changing fomrations and seeing gerrard bottle it and lose all movement too.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Look actually if you just analyse their side they got the key signings right but have a small squad but kept the players like clyne, fonte (according to them) Sneiderlin and both tadic, alderweird, and pelle... forester was in and wanyama too so they had work done from previous on that front.

They are just well organised and no nonsense at the back.

If you list their first 11..




It might look great now but if it translates into 6th by the end its a job well done but its still only a one off.

I mean c'mon... everton have tightened the belt many many times over the years and the one year they have a high net spend they had a poor start but are on the way back up too. I'd HALF back everton to catch southampton by the end.

Now I've said just today I'd rather southampton got 4th than arsenal but hey if everton catch them up... good on them too. I'd rather one of them two get there than the perennial arsenal jokes.

Forster
Clyne alderweird Fonte Bertrand (on loan, nobodies giving him credit)
Schneiderlin Wanyama Cork
J Rod/Mane Pelle Tadic

Just for example.

Cork could be dropped to play both jay roriguez and mane but thats not occured yet.

Contrast to 12 months ago.

Boruc
Clyne Lovern Fonte shaw
Schneiderlin Cork Rameriez?
J Rod Lambert Lallana

So.... they SOLD 5 first team players, had already bought wanyama and forester so they had time to settle in they then bought 3 good uns and loaned on full back in!

thats all they did, got the 3 signings right... have they a huge squad... no they do not.


So all in all they'd a solid screen in front of a back 5 thats only got 2 new new members in it... they bought safely there. and they only added tadic and pelle to their attacking line ups but they've worked.

Contrast to lfc throwing stuff at a wall and hoping.. plus changing fomrations and seeing gerrard bottle it and lose all movement too.
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maybe not, but i am wondering if he is performing for a better move elsewhere, we had something a miss when we had Moses, maybe he thought he was staying at chelsea, but now he has been sold he is performing a hell of a lot better, i think Bertrand knows he is off and playing for a move, good for saints as they get a player that is giving it all for a move, but i doubt he will go there unless saints end up top6?
 
Told you all Bertrand was good. :tongue:

My final thoughts, well for now anyway..............

My thoughts are a combination of poor decisions made by Rodgers and his staff.

Firstly there was no clear target identified to replace Suarez and his contribution to last season was underestimated.

Secondly too many young players with "potential" were bought instead of seasoned players who would have slotted in easily and improved the first team.

The center back problem, we still have no leader, no communicator a Fonte was needed more than a Lovren if you get what I mean.

Gerrard is quite simply too old and his performances are not good enough but he starts nearly every game.

Balotelli is not, never has been and never will be any good he is the noose that Rodgers slipped around his own neck.

So to me a combination of things have lead to this seasons poor start, who's to blame? It has to be the manager, can he turn it around? Sadly I don't think he got the right people helping him in order for him to do this.
 
Sir_Red said:
We lost our best player and have the CL to contend with yet we were only allowed to spend a net £30m. In effect out of the clubs pocket. That's what seems hard to believe, especially when were lead to believe there was a £60m warchest.
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Only £30m net? It was £36m and as previously pointed out, that made you the 3rd highest net spenders last summer.

You've been racking up £50m annual losses, and now you're back in Europe FFP probably also plays a part here, as you'd fall foul of the regulations if you posted another stonking loss.

Your current situation is nothing to do with lack of resources and everything to do with crap purchases
 
all southmapton care about is he is performing right now!

He's 24/25 now and experienced. He's filling in a lb role for them and they can certainly carry that off if al other roles are performing as well as they are

For me:

LFC WERE


Mingolet
Johnson Skertl Agger Flanagan
Gerrard
COutinho Henderson
Sterling
Suarez Sturridge

we are now

a 4-3-3

Minger
Manquillo Skertl Lovern Moreno
Gerrard
Henderson Allen
Sterling Sturridge Coutinho

At best and sturridge has been out for 90% of the season. Manquillo has worked, the CBs have not. we keep taking moreno out like he can't play or is not truted and have not gven him any time to settle fully. Allen's in and out and sterlings been played everywhere from RWB to no 10 to LW.

In short you'll note our only signins making the first 11 are defenders and we are messing one of those around.

we have no plan from the manager and it shows.
 
luvgonzo said:
Told you all Bertrand was good. :tongue:

My final thoughts, well for now anyway..............

My thoughts are a combination of poor decisions made by Rodgers and his staff.

Firstly there was no clear target identified to replace Suarez and his contribution to last season was underestimated.

Secondly too many young players with "potential" were bought instead of seasoned players who would have slotted in easily and improved the first team.

The center back problem, we still have no leader, no communicator a Fonte was needed more than a Lovren if you get what I mean.

Gerrard is quite simply too old and his performances are not good enough but he starts nearly every game.

Balotelli is not, never has been and never will be any good he is the noose that Rodgers slipped around his own neck.

So to me a combination of things have lead to this seasons poor start, who's to blame? It has to be the manager, can he turn it around? Sadly I don't think he got the right people helping him in order for him to do this.
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That is your problem, Arsenals problem and Man Utds problem. In a back 4 you need 2 CBs, 1 has to be the 'dominant' and the other the 'passive', but those teams play 2 'passive' CBs. It's poor management, but it doesn't surprise me, LVG has always been over-rated, Arsene too stuck in his one dimensional passing philosophy to see how to fix it and Rodgers hasn't a good managing record other than at Swansea, where he had Roberto Martinez team. Now he's building his own team for the first time we'll see how good he is.
 
Gerrez said:
Its not his own team until all eleven players are his own signings <whistle> :bandit:
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This may never happen for any manager. :bandit:

There will always be one or two players good enough and who the manager would want to keep. Mourinho had never had his own team at Real because Ronaldo was there or Van Gaal will never have his team as Rooney is around ?
 
carlthejackal said:
This may never happen for any manager. :bandit:

There will always be one or two players good enough and who the manager would want to keep. Mourinho had never had his own team at Real because Ronaldo was there or Van Gaal will never have his team as Rooney is around ?
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C.Ronaldo type players are slightly different. I wouldn't expect a manager to change a player of that calibre for the sake of getting their own team. I'd also like to think the manager would buy a player like that given half a chance too.

I'd say Rafa built his own team despite Carragher and Gerrard remaining because they were the star players at the club. Rodgers still has Johnson, Skrtel and Gerrard in his first team, none of which are stand out players anymore (two are debatable as to whether they ever were).

On the other side of the coin, Brod has signed twenty-five (or is it twenty-four?) players so in theory, he's not just signed his own team, he's signed his own squad!
 
Borussia Dortmund boss Jurgen Klopp says he could see himself managing an English club because he can speak the language, but refused to confirm whether he has been approached by a Premier League side.

Klopp says he will not speak about his long-term future ahead of the two sides' Champions League clash on Wednesday.

The German has been linked with taking over at the Emirates.
 
Flappy Flanagan (JK) said:
Borussia Dortmund boss Jurgen Klopp says he could see himself managing an English club because he can speak the language, but refused to confirm whether he has been approached by a Premier League side.

Klopp says he will not speak about his long-term future ahead of the two sides' Champions League clash on Wednesday.

The German has been linked with taking over at the Emirates.
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Interesting. I'd say he'd be more likely to want to go to Arsenal but I think Wenger's job is safer than Rodgers atm.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Interesting. I'd say he'd be more likely to want to go to Arsenal but I think Wenger's job is safer than Rodgers atm.
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Neither are safe if Klopp is looking for a move IMO. Great manager, could he adapt to the league style in England?
 
I'm definitely a Rodgers fan and I want him to be given more time, but if Klopp is available, we simply have to go for him.
 
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