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Yet Allardyce was accused of being a long ball merchant
I know mate, lots of managers get reputations from people who dont watch their teams regularly. Mowbray is a point in case on here.

Out of those suggested Manning would be my choice, so long as he brings most of his staff with him, and he has a lot. His background is so good, in terms of the sort of the clubs he has been at, and he is showing what he is all about. When they beat us just after Alex Neil took charge last year it was the most complete footballing performance all season. They were tactically oustanding and we had no answers to them.
 
A lot of people in football believe Dyche only played that style at Burnley to suit the players.

I don’t think we have any chance of getting him, but maybe with better players we’d see a different style of play?
He was there 10 years. I reckon that's long enough time to influence recruiting the type of players you need to implent your chosen style of play
 
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I know mate, lots of managers get reputations from people who dont watch their teams regularly. Mowbray is a point in case on here.

Out of those suggested Manning would be my choice, so long as he brings most of his staff with him, and he has a lot. His background is so good, in terms of the sort of the clubs he has been at, and he is showing what he is all about. When they beat us just after Alex Neil took charge last year it was the most complete footballing performance all season. They were tactically oustanding and we had no answers to them.

Tactics and how the team play become quite personal and depend on your view point of the game etc. It's impossible really.

Me I want a team that attack down the wings, throw cross after cross into the box to 2 decent forwards. Full backs that can crunch into tackles and give the ball to the tricky winger to do his magic or chuck a cross into the box from a deep position. A centre half that can head the ball miles and a centre midfielder like Keane in his prime.

Trouble is that isn't modern football and I fully appreciate the game has moved on massively.

Essentially I want the Reid team back :emoticon-0102-bigsm

I couldnt stand to watch the passing for passing sakes style that some love
 
I know mate, lots of managers get reputations from people who dont watch their teams regularly. Mowbray is a point in case on here.

Out of those suggested Manning would be my choice, so long as he brings most of his staff with him, and he has a lot. His background is so good, in terms of the sort of the clubs he has been at, and he is showing what he is all about. When they beat us just after Alex Neil took charge last year it was the most complete footballing performance all season. They were tactically oustanding and we had no answers to them.
Interesting you mention his back room staff and then coming with him?

Is there a particular reason for this?
 
If we aren't paying the market rate then there is no way any manager is going to stick around!

In my line of work I can work for in the public sector or I can work in the private sector and earn double. I 100% understand him going for monet, what annoys me is the way he has done it.
 
Tactics and how the team play become quite personal and depend on your view point of the game etc. It's impossible really.

Me I want a team that attack down the wings, throw cross after cross into the box to 2 decent forwards. Full backs that can crunch into tackles and give the ball to the tricky winger to do his magic or chuck a cross into the box from a deep position. A centre half that can head the ball miles and a centre midfielder like Keane in his prime.

Trouble is that isn't modern football and I fully appreciate the game has moved on massively.

Essentially I want the Reid team back :emoticon-0102-bigsm

I couldnt stand to watch the passing for passing sakes style that some love

It’s all about opinions and I loved watching our style under Reid but also I f you watch a good “passing” team, they’ll pass and pass and pass until a gap opens up and then the exploit it with quick through balls and fast paced attacks. I think that is what Poyet wanted to implement when he was here but was never allowed the players to achieve it. I could see what he was trying to do but I could also see it frustrated the life out of some supporters who’d be screaming for the defence to lump it up the pitch
 
It’s all about opinions and I loved watching our style under Reid but also I f you watch a good “passing” team, they’ll pass and pass and pass until a gap opens up and then the exploit it with quick through balls and fast paced attacks. I think that is what Poyet wanted to implement when he was here but was never allowed the players to achieve it. I could see what he was trying to do but I could also see it frustrated the life out of some supporters who’d be screaming for the defence to lump it up the pitch
I'm far from a "lump it" style but the constant sideways and backward passing some teams employ is mind numbing for me.

A combination of Reid style with Poyet style sounds good to me
 
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This is true, of course, but it suggests to me that the club didn't really think he was worth it.

I'd assume LJ got the bullet because they thought he should be getting more out of the squad, so a coach coming in and doing what they already thought was achievable obviously didn't buy AN that much credit. I'm sure the KLD family are more than used to paying crazy money for the right manager in their other businesses.

Basically, I don't think these guys are in a rush and they won't be investing huge money in a coach because they don't think its necessary. They believe they've put the necessary infrastructure and investment in place to achieve in line with expectations and the head coach just needs to come in and execute.

But what is a market rate in football - even in the Championship there will be huge differences between clubs (and the Premiership) - when he states market rate does he just mean Stoke's market rate. I am disappointed by the whole affair - the timing etc - it feels all wrong

However there are a number of issues off the field the club need to address - vacancies/their PR/commercial side.etc. These need to be addressed ASAP so there are many things to improve - some seem to have taken longer than necessary.

So there are issues to address - I feel that the club have been dumped in it by AN but there is still a long way to go for KLD and the board. The immediate thing is the manager/head coach. In all honesty I am unsure about KS as DoF as he had previously been Head of Academy but this will play out in the long term - the recruitment is encouraging
 
Definitely don’t want Keane. I like the way we’re trying to move forward now and think we need a young hungry coach not an old school manager.
can you really see them speaking after last time be usual paper bollocks
 
A lot of people in football believe Dyche only played that style at Burnley to suit the players.

I don’t think we have any chance of getting him, but maybe with better players we’d see a different style of play?
Was literally having this conversation yesterday. A non-league manager I know said he thought we'd easily get Dyche.
I said, yeah but the club want to play a certain way, 433 and a high press etc. To which he replied, yeah, and Dyche is known for 442 but you don't know what he could do with more capable players.
 
I really don’t want Keane.

I wanted him before Neil but it was purely for sentimental reasons when I think back.

He’s been out of management too long and we’re a totally different club now.
 
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Was literally having this conversation yesterday. A non-league manager I know said he thought we'd easily get Dyche.
I said, yeah but the club want to play a certain way, 433 and a high press etc. To which he replied, yeah, and Dyche is known for 442 but you don't know what he could do with more capable players.
He had more capable players at Burnley than he'll walk into at Sunderland. He was at Burnley for a decade, that was more than enough time to stamp his style on the club. It was always the same.
 
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This is true, of course, but it suggests to me that the club didn't really think he was worth it.

I'd assume LJ got the bullet because they thought he should be getting more out of the squad, so a coach coming in and doing what they already thought was achievable obviously didn't buy AN that much credit. I'm sure the KLD family are more than used to paying crazy money for the right manager in their other businesses.

Basically, I don't think these guys are in a rush and they won't be investing huge money in a coach because they don't think its necessary. They believe they've put the necessary infrastructure and investment in place to achieve in line with expectations and the head coach just needs to come in and execute.
Only problem with that is that other clubs think they can recruit a magician, so offer an underpaid Head Coach more money and we lose him and end up with someone who perhaps doesn't fit the model etc
 
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I know mate, lots of managers get reputations from people who dont watch their teams regularly. Mowbray is a point in case on here.

Out of those suggested Manning would be my choice, so long as he brings most of his staff with him, and he has a lot. His background is so good, in terms of the sort of the clubs he has been at, and he is showing what he is all about. When they beat us just after Alex Neil took charge last year it was the most complete footballing performance all season. They were tactically oustanding and we had no answers to them.
Love Bernard Manning, hope he brings Charlie Williams with him. A heavenly partnership!
 
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