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My God Southgate the ultimate failure as England's manager and gets a Knighthood, Sir Alf Ramsey should be turning in his grave. Poor by any standards.
Ultimate failure is a bit harsh. He did a great job of creating a creative squad but never took a team and elevated it. Prefer the big recognitions to be for big achievement otherwise it just becomes meaningless.
 
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My God Southgate the ultimate failure as England's manager and gets a Knighthood, Sir Alf Ramsey should be turning in his grave. Poor by any standards.
More success than any England manager since Ramsey.
Taylor, Hoddle, McClaren, Hodgson and Capello were failures (or at least bigger failures than Southgate if winning a trophy is the yardstick)
 
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More success than any England manager since Ramsey.
Taylor, Hoddle, McClaren, Hodgson and Capello were failures (or at least bigger failures than Southgate if winning a trophy is the yardstick)
A lot of those had teams where we relied on 1 or 2 star players, Southgate has had a Golden age of players that should have won something.
 
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More success than any England manager since Ramsey.
Taylor, Hoddle, McClaren, Hodgson and Capello were failures (or at least bigger failures than Southgate if winning a trophy is the yardstick)
What did he win though? At least Ramsey won our only World Cup, getting a Knighthood for being a poor second is pathetic imo.
 
What did he win though? At least Ramsey won our only World Cup, getting a Knighthood for being a poor second is pathetic imo.

Agree. I find it a bit embarrassing for the country. When Alf Ramsey and Alex Ferguson get them you think wow that really elevates them and recognizes their greatness, and maybe by reflection the country's greatness. When you give them to the likes of Gareth Southgate who is a nice guy and did some good things but is plainly not great, I think it highlights averageness and makes us look a bit silly. Just MHO.
 
Southgate knighted for a second place finish, really? Lovely fella but it’s not like he’s had a career of success like Alex Ferguson or Bobby Robson.
A career of success - Bobby Robson :emoticon-0112-wonde
I remember him winning the F.A Cup at Ipswich, but nothing else in England !
He seemed to be a very nice fella, but I can't think of anything else that he did to be mentioned in the same sentence as Sir Alex, who definitely deserved a knighthood.
 
Agree. I find it a bit embarrassing for the country. When Alf Ramsey and Alex Ferguson get them you think wow that really elevates them and recognizes their greatness, and maybe by reflection the country's greatness. When you give them to the likes of Gareth Southgate who is a nice guy and did some good things but is plainly not great, I think it highlights averageness and makes us look a bit silly. Just MHO.

He is a nice guy so I assume he is suitably embarrassed by it all. "Gareth, how did you get to be Knighted?". "Err err err err......runner up twice but where a nice waistcoat"
 
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A career of success - Bobby Robson :emoticon-0112-wonde
I remember him winning the F.A Cup at Ipswich, but nothing else in England !
He seemed to be a very nice fella, but I can't think of anything else that he did to be mentioned in the same sentence as Sir Alex, who definitely deserved a knighthood.
An FA Cup and UEFA Cup with Ipswich then a lot more success with PSV, Porto and Barcelona before a decent showing as England manager. Also had a big influence on a few future managers like Mourinho. Not saying he’s the greatest but the ‘in England’ focus really plays down his career. That’s what I’m comparing to a manager who had a middling time with Middlesbrough and ultimately did not win anything with one of the most talented England squads for many years.
SAF deserves his own paragraph as no one has managed the level of sustained success he has at a single club. The.golden one of Pep left Barca because the bubble burst and his Man City team looks to be going the same way. Mourinho is an excellent journeyman as again can’t sustain long term in a league.