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latviandream said:
Right, obviously a lot of us will take 'whoever uncle Les picks' because the club has shown themselves over the past 7 years to know what they're doing, and generally every decision is well researched and not 'a punt'.

However, if we took each of the main five named candidates at the moment and rate them all on a scale of 1-10 regards our level of excitement (where 1= 'I reckon he'll do such a bad job he'll definitely be sacked inside a year, 5= 'I reckon he'll around about match what Koeman could've', and 10= 'I reckon he'll get us in the champions league within the next three years'), what would we score each candidate?

I'll go first....
Frank de Boer - 6/10
Rudi Garcia - 8.5/10
Manuel Pellegrini - 9/10
Vitor Pereira - 7.5/10
Claude Puel - 5/10

I'm erring against Puel & De Boer, but to be honest I don't reckon any of the five will be a downgrade. Roll on the announcement <cheers>
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De Boer - 5/10
Garcia - 8/10
Pellegrini - 9/10
Pereira - 7/10
Puel - 6/10
 
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Well I would prefer Pellegrini BUT I will win more if Puel is selceted because I put twice as much on Puel.

So my vote goes to Puel.
 
latviandream said:
Right, obviously a lot of us will take 'whoever uncle Les picks' because the club has shown themselves over the past 7 years to know what they're doing, and generally every decision is well researched and not 'a punt'.

However, if we took each of the main five named candidates at the moment and rate them all on a scale of 1-10 regards our level of excitement (where 1= 'I reckon he'll do such a bad job he'll definitely be sacked inside a year, 5= 'I reckon he'll around about match what Koeman could've', and 10= 'I reckon he'll get us in the champions league within the next three years'), what would we score each candidate?

I'll go first....
Frank de Boer - 6/10
Rudi Garcia - 8.5/10
Manuel Pellegrini - 9/10
Vitor Pereira - 7.5/10
Claude Puel - 5/10

I'm erring against Puel & De Boer, but to be honest I don't reckon any of the five will be a downgrade. Roll on the announcement <cheers>
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Me:

Frank de Boer - 8/10
Rudi Garcia - 9.5/10
Manuel Pellegrini - 9.4/10
Vitor Pereira - 7.5/10
Claude Puel - 6/10
 
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Evaluating both on quality and fit...install Koeman as a 7, for what it's worth (otherwise my rankings would look really negative, because "merely post the best two seasons in the club's PL history" doesn't seem like 5/10 material to me).

FDB - 6/10. Don't think that he'd provide the best immediate results, and would require patience. If however we're in transition on a plan that is to take us to the CL over the course of several seasons, his record of player development might be quite beneficial.

Garcia - 8.5/10. Good manager. Has question marks regarding is ability to adjust, but so do most/all managers who'd be available.

Pellegrini - 6.5/10. Good manager, lovely human being. Hiring a manager in his 60s would be a really strange jumping-off point for a long-term project, though.

Pereira - 7.5/10. Great fit tactically. Would be higher if not for questions regarding the level of competition he has faced and his rather nomadic CV.

Puel - 5.5/10. Doesn't really excite me.
 
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Schad said:
Evaluating both on quality and fit...install Koeman as a 7, for what it's worth (otherwise my rankings would look really negative, because "merely post the best two seasons in the club's PL history" doesn't seem like 5/10 material to me).

FDB - 6/10. Don't think that he'd provide the best immediate results, and would require patience. If however we're in transition on a plan that is to take us to the CL over the course of several seasons, his record of player development might be quite beneficial.

Garcia - 8.5/10. Good manager. Has question marks regarding is ability to adjust, but so do most/all managers who'd be available.

Pellegrini - 6.5/10. Good manager, lovely human being. Hiring a manager in his 60s would be a really strange jumping-off point for a long-term project, though.

Pereira - 7.5/10. Great fit tactically. Would be higher if not for questions regarding the level of competition he has faced and his rather nomadic CV.

Puel - 5.5/10. Doesn't really excite me.
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Just to clarify your scoring Schad, is there only Garcia & Pereira (from those 5) who you think would outperform Koeman?

Totally agree Koeman did a great job, while he was with us. The '5' was only intended as a benchmark to give room for people to score how much better or worse they thought each manager was vs. Koeman should he have stayed, rather than scoring how Koeman himself had performed.
 
latviandream said:
How many of the five have you got covered ImpSaint? What's your +/- on each of them?
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I took Pellegrini at 11/1 the day all this Koeman and Everton nonsense started. £50
I took Puel the other day when his name first came up and got him at 9/1 £100

They are the only 2 bets I made.

My assessment of them all:
De Boer - 5/10 like others I think it is too early. He would be coming from a similar setup to ours but gut feeling says to me he isn't right. I don't know why.
Garcia - 6/10 Has a good record and stature. Not overly keen though.
Pellegrini - 9/10 He has everything that Garcia has in terms of who he has managed however he has done it for longer and achieved a lot more IMO. Would send a huge message to the world about where we are at and I think it would be his last job. He may well stay for five years then retire.
Pereira - 5/10 I have a tendancy to be cynical about achievements at Porto these days. Mourinho di dwell there at a time they were just starting to spend crazy money, AVB similar and they get a lot of those players on very dodgy deals (so my bro in law tells me although his Sporting bias might have some effect on his opinion)
Puel - 6/10 The romantic option really. If he is the man then he must be an absolutely perfect match for the youth aspect IMO.
 
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ImpSaint said:
I took Pellegrini at 11/1 the day all this Koeman and Everton nonsense started. £50
I took Puel the other day when his name first came up and got him at 9/1 £100

They are the only 2 bets I made.
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Nice. Looks like the market has moved in your favour on both of those for the moment at least! Best of luck getting it across the line <cheers>
 
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latviandream said:
Just to clarify your scoring Schad, is there only Garcia & Pereira (from those 5) who you think would outperform Koeman?
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That the club would outperform what I'd expect from Koeman over the course of our five-year plan, yeah. Pellegrini's a good manager, but at this point he's probably a short-term appointment...hiring him for a couple seasons doesn't make all that much sense to me if we think that it'll be a few years of building to reach the level of a CL club. Can't imagine that he wants to see out his career setting the table for someone else. Conversely, I think that FDB could be a good table-setter on a five-year plan, but I don't know whether we'd be willing to ride out a year or two of lesser results, if it came down to it.
 
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Copied this from TSW as to why Garcia turned us down.


It is now being reported in France (l'equipe) that Rudi Garcia refused our offer of managing Southampton. 2 reasons are being quoted:
1-He cannot bring more than 2 assisstants with him
2-The way the club operates on recruitment.
Is it our recruitment policy or the way the club is structured (transfer committee)?
 
saintrichie123 said:
Copied this from TSW as to why Garcia turned us down.


It is now being reported in France (l'equipe) that Rudi Garcia refused our offer of managing Southampton. 2 reasons are being quoted:
1-He cannot bring more than 2 assisstants with him
2-The way the club operates on recruitment.
Is it our recruitment policy or the way the club is structured (transfer committee)?
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Believable. Assume Sammy Lee and Watson mean that only assistant manager and fitness coach roles are open...although MoPo bought a keeper coach too. Wonder if it would have been a sticking point for MoPo...
 
saintrichie123 said:
Copied this from TSW as to why Garcia turned us down.


It is now being reported in France (l'equipe) that Rudi Garcia refused our offer of managing Southampton. 2 reasons are being quoted:
1-He cannot bring more than 2 assisstants with him
2-The way the club operates on recruitment.
Is it our recruitment policy or the way the club is structured (transfer committee)?
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Maybe he wants more control over transfers in, which obviously isn't the way that we do things. That would be my guess anyways.
 
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