An unusually sensible post from you , and ‘lightening in a bottle ‘ is for dyeing your hair isn’t it ? LOL sorry couldn’t resist , must be bored this morning .I think this is basically the crux of it. An unusually sensible post from you.
I think there's a lot of 'plug and play' belief amongst football fans the world over. So and so is a great player, we should sign him and he'll instantly replicate what he was doing in a new environment with new players, a new manager and a new surrounds. So and so is a good manager, we should be able to see him replicate his success elsewhere instantly.
The reality is that sometimes lightening in a bottle means that managers can come in and have instant success (arguably Mckenna at Ipswich), but the far more common reality is that time is needed to develop a squad, an ethos and a belief (look at Carrick at Boro). Stability and patience when it's earned is most commonly the way to go. Rosenior had a clear trajectory of improvement, and while that improvement didn't equate to promotion doesn't mean it wasn't improvement. While we would have still had squad turnover, there was a clear case to be made for our year on year step up and development. I think some of the players who left (Tufan, Seri in particular) would still be here if Rosenior was still here, while we would have made summer signings much earlier and a case could be made that someone like Conway would have been more open to a move here.
While people didn't love Rosenior's style, even the biggest Rosenior critics have to admit we played some brilliant stuff at times last season which was down to the system and set up. All our players bar Delap and arguably Greaves have gone on to struggle or have poorer seasons this year than last so I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Rosenior had a good track record of getting the squad playing to their strengths. We scored our third most goals ever in a Championship season last year, and there's nothing to suggest we would have collapsed in a heap to the extent we have this year with him, and instead a case to be made that we would have made further strides forward as a club even if it did ultimately result in missing the play offs again. What I can't get my head around is Acun giving him a new three year deal in December which seemed to indicate that Acun saw this too, that it was a project and would take time, and then weeks later almost suffering a crisis of identity and flipping everything on its head and saying it was now or never.
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Let’s face it, based on the stuff coming out from players and others associated with the club since Walter left / pretty much any of the names mentioned would probably do a better job.
Jokanovic is the only one that worries me after David Prutton mentioned on the 1904 pod that a former Sheffield United player who said he struggled to adapt to living in the North and understanding the culture.
Jokanovic is the only one that worries me after David Prutton mentioned on the 1904 pod that a former Sheffield United player who said he struggled to adapt to living in the North and understanding the culture.
Can't remember if it's been suggested before or not, but perhaps Acun thought that, given we were 6th at the time, and he was making additions in January, that we would be nailed on for play offs minimum, with momentum to possibly go up. Therefore he maybe thought it wise to tie Rosenior up for longer. Of course, we don't know what the severance part of the contract was, maybe that was the same. Anyway, not meaning to re-open the wider debate for the millionth time on here!
Agree.
The prospect of literally none of the managers in the betting particularly excite me.
Probably as good a shout as any in the betting. Experienced in the Championship and a good age (meaning not a novice, not past it, likely not set in his ways). Plus he's not in a job, he's had a decent period out to reflect, learn, take stock and now probably hungry to get started again.
Even so. Finishing 7th just 3 points outside of that isn’t exactly a massive failure from the point we were at 31st December. It shows the fine nature of football especially with injuries we had and some bad luck like against Norwich and Watford at home.
To me there’s more than meets the eye with the sacking of Rosenior. Contradicting reasons and the fact he gave a 3 year deal to him leads me to believe there was a serious downturn in the relationship. Rosenior may have met his fate in this season I don’t doubt but at least the perception of the club may not have been harmed as much as it was when he was originally sacked.
Now we look like a club willing to sack managers at a whim. Publicly criticise players in fan forums and to top it all off you may not stay at the club more than a year even if you want to given the high nature of turnover. Rosenior papered over a lot of the cracks that was the perception of the club by being an up and coming manager at the time that had a tendency to develop young players.
I agree, it’s not a great choice is it. Mowbray is the clear fav for me but health issues mean it’s not realistic , Jokanović is the next best (record wise). But there’s doubts about him adapting to the area, Robins but there’s doubts he’s as good without his assistant.
Alex Neil was sacked from Stoke but let’s be honest, so is everyone else.
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Everyone is going to have a knock against them sadly unless you go pay for someone like Selles or Bloomfield. And even they are not dead certs to make the step up
Yeah that’s what I posted last night, realistically we aren’t getting a championship experienced manger that hasn’t had a blemish on their CV.
Hull City have already conducted six interviews in their bid to appoint a new manager to replace Tim Walter, who was sacked last Wednesday afternoon.
Tigers owner Acun Ilicali is understood to be keen to make a swift appointment and, if possible, in time for Saturday's visit of in-form Blackburn Rovers to the MKM Stadium.
It's understood more than 30 applications were submitted following the news that Walter had been given his marching orders by City. Sources have told Hull Live that the club's potential was a particularly attractive trait, despite their perilous league position after 18 games, and it remains an attractive job.
Those applications were whittled down to six over the weekend with interviews already taking place early this week, and more discussions planned.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/spo...=more_like_this_top_comments#comments-wrapper
Ilicali will continue the recruitment process on Tuesday but sources close to the Turkish owner believe an appointment is edging closer, though it's unlikely at this stage to be Mark Robins, the former Coventry City manager.
Tigers owner Acun Ilicali is understood to be keen to make a swift appointment and, if possible, in time for Saturday's visit of in-form Blackburn Rovers to the MKM Stadium.
It's understood more than 30 applications were submitted following the news that Walter had been given his marching orders by City. Sources have told Hull Live that the club's potential was a particularly attractive trait, despite their perilous league position after 18 games, and it remains an attractive job.
Those applications were whittled down to six over the weekend with interviews already taking place early this week, and more discussions planned.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/spo...=more_like_this_top_comments#comments-wrapper
Ilicali will continue the recruitment process on Tuesday but sources close to the Turkish owner believe an appointment is edging closer, though it's unlikely at this stage to be Mark Robins, the former Coventry City manager.
He’s really persistent with the Eustace links. Although I’m unsure if he’s saying we’ve interviewed him or just enquired
I’ll be ****ing furious if I don’t get an interview this time
I still can't look past Eustace. He'll be on a low wages at Blackburn with no money to spend. Give him a big pay rise and money to spend in Jan and I think he'd be tempted.
It wouldn't sock me. I expect us to announce it ( whoever it is ) this afternoon/tomorrow morning
Is this based on something you’ve heard? Noticed you mentioned him quite earlier after Tim’s sacking