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J Flash said:
I like him, I think he comes across well. He definitely had Hull playing with an identity but that identity received criticism in the end (that's subjective though).

My issue with his appointment would be:

1) If Hull dont think he's good enough, then why do we if we are aiming for similar if not more than Hull.

2) It's extremely unlikely he was ever on our list of potential head coaches, let alone near the top as he wasnt expected to be available until a couple of weeks ago. Which leaves me asking, what has happened with targets we have identified since February and the fact we couldnt get one in, concerns me about whether the 'model' is not flexible enough to attract higher profile managers.

Of course there's a possibility that once he was unexpectedly available that he turned out to be be the best candidate. But then I'd say what pool of managers were we looking at if someone like Rosenior is the stand out candidate, would imagine it being a pretty low profile shortlist with all due respect to Rosenior.
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It's down to the views of individual chairmen though mate. Hull's Chairman obviously doesn't think he's good enough. Doesn't mean he's right. Look at Birmingham. Their Chairman didn't rate Eustace and where did that get them.
 
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Robertson said:
It’s harking back in time but not giving Mowbray a fighting chance due to the poor transfer business last summer is coming back to haunt us and make recruiting more difficult. He took the blame for the mediocre start because he couldn’t get an under strength squad performing.
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I agree.

It's tough for me to admit but I thought the club finally had their **** together at that point.

I was raging Tony called out the club suggesting they bought some experienced players in.

When they sacked him I assumed they had a decent replacement already lined up... I could go on.
 
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TopCat_ said:
Lets pretend we know the short list. In order is was:

1. Still
2. Maric
3. Svensson

Now, it turns out Still is too expensive (this is before he's sacked) so we turn to Maric. Now, Maric might fancy the job, but would you leave Bayern Munich for Sunderland? Would Bayern even let him go? He has 1st team responsibilities and are maybe demanding silly money. In the meantime there is talk he's been promoted at Bayern, so now there is no chance of him coming. So, we move on to Svensson, who appears to be holding out for other European jobs (who could blame him?) so we go back to Still who is unexpectedly available, but he too is holding out to see what lower end PL/top end Champo jobs come up. Still comes to see us, but wants to talk to Norwich too. Then the Kompany/Maresca/McKenna rumours start and he's thinking "I might have a shot of a PL team here, or at least a top end Championship with parachute money".

So. Let's play that game and ask what the club have done wrong in the above (fictional) scenario?
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If this Still stuff is true, and the Maric as assistant to Kompany, looks like all three of those are out of the picture.

Sure I read that Svensson has been confirmed at Union Berlin or something along those lines.

Plenty more out there who could build us into a team worthy of promotion.

Just pleased its not my job to hire them, sounds tedious.
 
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TopCat_ said:
Lets pretend we know the short list. In order is was:

1. Still
2. Maric
3. Svensson

Now, it turns out Still is too expensive (this is before he's sacked) so we turn to Maric. Now, Maric might fancy the job, but would you leave Bayern Munich for Sunderland? Would Bayern even let him go? He has 1st team responsibilities and are maybe demanding silly money. In the meantime there is talk he's been promoted at Bayern, so now there is no chance of him coming. So, we move on to Svensson, who appears to be holding out for other European jobs (who could blame him?) so we go back to Still who is unexpectedly available, but he too is holding out to see what lower end PL/top end Champo jobs come up. Still comes to see us, but wants to talk to Norwich too. Then the Kompany/Maresca/McKenna rumours start and he's thinking "I might have a shot of a PL team here, or at least a top end Championship with parachute money".

So. Let's play that game and ask what the club have done wrong in the above (fictional) scenario?
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if you own the club, and are serious and professional, you identify your top target and go and get them. It’s really not that difficult. If all this is to be believed, we are competing against Norwich City. We are messing about, that is clear, given the length of time this is all taking. It’s Sunderland, not the moon. In football money talks, and so does how clubs are run, regarding control of transfers, back room staff etc etc. however anyone wants to dress this up, we really are making a right mess of this, just as we did last season.

Obviously, this is a hypothetical response to a hypothetical question, so I’ll wait and see what becomes fact or fiction. However, from what we know, it’s pretty concerning
 
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FellTop said:
My only counter would be what impact does it have on player negotiations ongoing right now. Free agents are talking to clubs, and tfr deals are going on all around the continent. Then we have Rigg hopefully signing. This uncertainty might well have us on the back foot.
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It might do but no guarantees that it does with the way transfers are done these days

Most players are joining the club rather than because a certain manager is in place - i get that a manager can have the pull to get a deal over the line tho

Its still more important to get the right manager in than 'rush'/panic abd make the wrong appointment
 
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TopCat_ said:
Lets pretend we know the short list. In order is was:

1. Still
2. Maric
3. Svensson

Now, it turns out Still is too expensive (this is before he's sacked) so we turn to Maric. Now, Maric might fancy the job, but would you leave Bayern Munich for Sunderland? Would Bayern even let him go? He has 1st team responsibilities and are maybe demanding silly money. In the meantime there is talk he's been promoted at Bayern, so now there is no chance of him coming. So, we move on to Svensson, who appears to be holding out for other European jobs (who could blame him?) so we go back to Still who is unexpectedly available, but he too is holding out to see what lower end PL/top end Champo jobs come up. Still comes to see us, but wants to talk to Norwich too. Then the Kompany/Maresca/McKenna rumours start and he's thinking "I might have a shot of a PL team here, or at least a top end Championship with parachute money".

So. Let's play that game and ask what the club have done wrong in the above (fictional) scenario?
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Fair post mate.

On Maric, I think its been common that Championship clubs have attracted youth coaches from the likes of Dortmund so I do think he was attainable but if he wasnt then surely he would of been taken away from our list almost immediately.

In terms of what the club would have done wrong, for me I'd be saying that you only listed 3 coaches there, so first of all why only 3 failed candidates then we end up back in the recently sacked British manager pool. How can the likes of QPR and Sheff Wed, in worse positions than us, find the coaches they did from abroad and seemingly have no trouble getting them?

Obviously candidates may want to see how things play out, we cant do much about that of course, but we've had over 3 months now, Still has been available for a few weeks, has something been holding him back from taking the job? Because there has been a decent amount of time between Still leaving and the Norwich sacking / Kompany/Mckenna/Maresca rumours. Could we have not got it tied up in that period?

By the way, not being critical of the club here, this is all speculation and I'm waiting for an actual appointment to be made before I give my opinion.
 
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Bank of England 2 said:
It's down to the views of individual chairmen though mate. Hull's Chairman obviously doesn't think he's good enough. Doesn't mean he's right. Look at Birmingham. Their Chairman didn't rate Eustace and where did that get them.
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Very true mate, and its received criticism from Hull fans which should be noted.
 
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Staying off here until its actually announced, too much reaction to any little tweet and folk slagging the club when they dont know what is actually going on

I get folk being concerned that we dont have a manager and all fans, myself included, will be nervous until we appoint someone

Heres hoping theres an announcement soon to stop the meltdown

Enjoy your bank holiday fellas
 
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Scout73 said:
Staying off here until its actually announced, too much reaction to any little tweet and folk slagging the club when they dont know what is actually going on

I get folk being concerned that we dont have a manager and all fans, myself included, will be nervous until we appoint someone

Heres hoping theres an announcement soon to stop the meltdown

Enjoy your bank holiday fellas
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Same. Twitter going the journey too

See you on the other side Scout :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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