New Head Coach

[Coastal Dolphins]

Hecky needs to accept small staff at Sunderland

Paul Heckingbottom may have to bring only
ONE member of backroom staff if he takes
the Sunderland job.

Hecky is favourite for the post, as we
revealed last week, but the Black Cats want
to keep some of the existing staff.

And there could just be room for two arrivals, including Heckingbottom. He would have to choose between out of work Stuart McCall or Sheffield United coach Jack Lester.

Sunderland are also considering Sheffield Wednesday boss Danny Rohl but that would
need a big transfer fee.

Rohl would also want his own staff. This issue handicapped Michael Beale who joined alone but wanted his own people eventually but was sacked quickly.

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Implying sticking with Dodds and Proctor - if true going nowhere this club imo.

Imagine any other championship club having Dodds and Proctor as absolutes in first team management roles?

One thing we do know is they aren't capable of stepping in as caretakers adequately.

 

[Nordic]

Anyway, Reims are on TNT Sport 1 at 2pm if anyone wants to watch our potential new coach Will Still. Hard game against Nice.

‘potential new coach’ vs ‘could have been coach’… I’d be interested to hear the result , but more importantly how the teams set up and play.. I don’t have TNT

 

[Magnus]

Implying sticking with Dodds and Proctor - if true going nowhere this club imo.

Imagine any other championship club having Dodds and Proctor as absolutes in first team management roles?

One thing we do know is they aren't capable of stepping in as caretakers adequately.

question for you mate do
you know any of the coach's at other championships clubs and at what level the coaching is ?

 

[Wardley Makem]

I get it. We're clearly selling stability to these young players we're signing. And it's helping us get some players who we'd may e struggle to get. So helps with retaining our best prospects. As long as the new manager can bring in an assistant, I don't see any issue

 

[Prehab26]

I get it. We're clearly selling stability to these young players we're signing. And it's helping us get some players who we'd may e struggle to get. So helps with retaining our best prospects. As long as the new manager can bring in an assistant, I don't see any issue

If they want another do we say no? Just got the same of Dodds and Proctor ? They have far to much weight because of Speakman. Both should be left to duties at the AOL. Calling zero shots on the match day.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

I get it. We're clearly selling stability to these young players we're signing. And it's helping us get some players who we'd may e struggle to get. So helps with retaining our best prospects. As long as the new manager can bring in an assistant, I don't see any issue

I see an issue in that a new manager can be undermined in the background by the unsackable duo reporting back to the sporting director if they don't see eye to eye with the new head coach.

 

[Chunksafc]

The balance in the squad is definitely wrong and this is probably one of the major factors in why this season hasn't gone the way it should have. That is the responsibility of Speakman and Harvey and the job they have done will have to be scrutinised by the board. Where I have difficulty with the criticism of Speakman is that people don't seem to be interested in, for example, why we haven't signed a Centre Forward. How many have they tried to sign? What are the reasons that they haven't signed? Can the club do anything about why they haven't signed- e.g. is it to do with the geography? The statement "Speakman is **** because he hasn't signed a striker" lacks any kind of thought, for me.

I don't think any of us will get answers the questions you pose, we will get that they tried etc but I'd be suprised if anyone at the club would give hard and fast answers to why we haven't signed a centre forward.

There is pressure on this summers recruitment from fans and I suspect the owners, it could be a long summer

 

[Chunksafc]

I think we may have 6/7 players who have featured fairly heavily this season out on loan next season

Isn't there a limit for loan players you can send out now or have I dreamt that?

 

[SourPatch2]

Isn't there a limit for loan players you can send out now or have I dreamt that?

Yes but I believe u21s and academy trained players don't count. I believe the limit next season is 6, was 7 this season. Could be wrong though.

 

[Coastal Dolphins]

If they want another do we say no? Just got the same of Dodds and Proctor ? They have far to much weight because of Speakman. Both should be left to duties at the AOL. Calling zero shots on the match day.

Exactly.
This insistence that any new head coach has to have those 2 (who haven't actually achieved much in the game/own goal records excepting) must be ruling out lots of potentially good candidates?

 

[Chunksafc]

Yes but I believe u21s and academy trained players don't count. I believe the limit next season is 6, was 7 this season. Could be wrong though.

There's certainly some of the u21's that need loans, I'd like to see Crompton out on loan as I really rate him.

 

[Monkey69]

I see an issue in that a new manager can be undermined in the background by the unsackable duo reporting back to the sporting director if they don't see eye to eye with the new head coach.

This I think is the possibility as a club we need everybody to buy into what we are trying to achieve and we cannot have division in the camp from anywhere that goes from the boardroom to the tea lady.
It is not acceptable if we are destroying ourselves from within and if that is or has been the case then it needs to be stamped out immediately.
I don't think we are at a stage like that but looking at the troubles in the head coach and coaching departments I can see reason in this thinking.
If the influence of Dodds and Proctor undermines the new head coach or previous head coaches then that situation should be addressed by the DoF and if he is encouraging or allowing it to play out then I am afraid my support for him would be gone as division and in fighting is mot conducive to a successful club.
This of course is all supposition on my part and there is nothing factual to suggest this is what has happened only time will tell if ther is any truth to this scenario.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I don't think any of us will get answers the questions you pose, we will get that they tried etc but I'd be suprised if anyone at the club would give hard and fast answers to why we haven't signed a centre forward.

There is pressure on this summers recruitment from fans and I suspect the owners, it could be a long summer

No, we won't. Which is kind of my point, although I realise it's a stance that undermines the point of a discussion forum to some extent. Because we don't know the answers to those questions, we can't really make any accurate judgement on how Speakman has performed. People make too many assumptions, like the retention of Dodds under the next coach, and base their opinions on those assumptions, rather than the facts we have access to. If Speakman is sacked come the summer, we can assume that KLD and the board think he's not performed as well as he should. If he stays, then KLD must think he's done at least well enough to warrant a second chance.

 

[Essayyeffcee]

Easter Monday? Both are to blame. But you don't get whooped 1-5 and call the gaffer doddsy. That's the level of fear they have for the main man. Imagine someone going that to SAF? I think not.

Never thought I'd ever see Mike Dodds being compared to Sir Alex Ferguson!

 

[SourPatch2]

There's certainly some of the u21's that need loans, I'd like to see Crompton out on loan as I really rate him.

I haven't been impressed with our outgoing loans this season, we need to get a lot better at it. We should be sending them to good levels where they will play consistently and at teams which play a similar style to us.

 

[Confucius]

I don't have low standards, I think Speakman should lose his job just like I thought TM and MB deserved to lose theirs. But using select sample sizes is an agenda. Coastal makes some great points, I agree with a lot, but to say they don't have an agenda is just not true, because everyone has an agenda.

I’m sure you haven’t mate, it was just a way of making a point
But everyone uses select samples, and are you suggesting that his agenda is for it to implode so he can say he’s right? Im not sure that is his agenda at all. Like I say, let’s say everyone has an agenda, it is to be successful in some proportionate form. He might think that would come by sacking Speakman, you think otherwise.

 

[Dorset]

To me, he deserves to lose it because of the amount of money that has been spent. Transfermarkt has it at around €18million since promotion. His squad building is weird aswell, we have 5 wingers and maybe 2 fit midfielders.

That's because he sees players as investments, which is why he bought Mundle when we didn't need another winger, because the deal was good.

 

[Confucius]

Of course it doesn't. I'm disappointed. But when all you hear are the same arguments repeated over and over, despite other people presenting evidence for why those arguments aren't right, you begin to assume that the people making those arguments just have some irrational dislike for the people they're complaining about.

I know mate, but on the flip side, they have to listen to counter arguments. It’s what a messageboard is for. I’ve no doubt in my mind that people have a dislike for some, I wouldn’t know if it’s irrational. Some make some good points, the only difference is they may think getting rid of those people will have the same end product as you think that by keeping them will.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I know mate, but on the flip side, they have to listen to counter arguments. It’s what a messageboard is for. I’ve no doubt in my mind that people have a dislike for some, I wouldn’t know if it’s irrational. Some make some good points, the only difference is they may think getting rid of those people will have the same end product as you think that by keeping them will.

You're right, most people just want the club to be successful. I'd argue a messageboard is about discussion and the exchange of ideas (and entertainment), not repeating the same things ad infinitum in the face of evidence which contradicts them.

 

[Confucius]

You're right, most people just want the club to be successful. I'd argue a messageboard is about discussion and the exchange of ideas (and entertainment), not repeating the same things ad infinitum in the face of evidence which contradicts them.

You see, that’s the difference. For the last 30 years, I’ve argued over contracts, Mon to Fri, couldn’t sleep Sat or Sun, cos I was thinking about the next argument. We were contract bound and despite it being the same contract we had a different interpretation dependant on what side of the table we were sat. Doesn’t matter what they thought it said, I thought different. Now I’m head of estates for a care home company, I have no one to argue with and we are all on the same side. So I come on here for my fix