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cumbrianmackem said:
Maybe I didn't explain properly what im saying is that if he (Mumba) is good enough then give him a go in the top league and not just loan these kids out Willy nilly.
I don't recall Michael Owen being loaned out before he got into Liverpool's team at 17, if your good enough your old enough in my view.
However it's the pressure of failing that stops these managers from giving these kids a go as it's their head on the chopping block.
I know they have to gain experience somewhere and I might be arguing against myself but I just think the loans system is wrong, don't Chelsea have over 20 kids out on loan which can't be right.
I've no idea how to change it or make it better just don't like the loan system.
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I'm not sure he'd yet be ready to be a guaranteed starter in the Championship. He'd get eaten alive in the Premiership coming up against time served internationals, every week. I'm not trying to drag this down, btw. I'm very excited about this lad, and potentially he's showing that he could easily be a premiership standard midfielder, he has all the attributes. He's a little bit away from that yet, I'm afraid. We've took Sinclair on loan from Watford, this season. The early signs are showing he will be playing a big part for us, this season. That will benefit both ourselves and Watford, massively.
 
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cumbrianmackem said:
This league is giving him his chance to show what he can do.
If we'd still been in the Premiership then it's unlikely our manager would give him a go due to the greater pressure of that league.
That is a sad fact of life and why so many youngsters on Premiership teams books end up continually on loan trying to prove their worth away from their own club and is something I've never sat easily with on the loan system.
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The alternative is PL clubs not having youth teams which would be weird.

Pickford is a shining example of the loan system working to develop young players. Henderson is the shining example of in house promotion. But both are shining examples of players with that special something which is why the loan system or any youth development system will always be limited to a players natural potential which is why so many failures. Fact is most youth players are genetically incapable of greatness and will never make top flight players no matter which way you go about developing them.

Personally I think the loan system with youth players is imperative for both the late developer and early blossomed for PL Clubs. But it's not for every player. It's down to good coaches to recognise who is suited to what, but it's still against the odds to produce a star.
 
cumbrianmackem said:
Maybe I didn't explain properly what im saying is that if he (Mumba) is good enough then give him a go in the top league and not just loan these kids out Willy nilly.
I don't recall Michael Owen being loaned out before he got into Liverpool's team at 17, if your good enough your old enough in my view.
However it's the pressure of failing that stops these managers from giving these kids a go as it's their head on the chopping block.
I know they have to gain experience somewhere and I might be arguing against myself but I just think the loans system is wrong, don't Chelsea have over 20 kids out on loan which can't be right.
I've no idea how to change it or make it better just don't like the loan system.
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If a PL club think he's capable at this age to be PL player right now they'd be queuing up for him but they're not. At most they'll be eyeing him up for their own academy and nothing more and even then nobody has made a move this window.

I think the Loan system is important. It's not nice that teams like Chelsea abuse it. But they're successfully with it. They produce a hell of a lot of professional footballers. Granted very few make the Chelsea first team but mostly Chelsea are producing continental style players, loaning them out to the continent and selling them on to the continent. What I don't like is them owning youngsters and loaning them on a continuous bases leaving it to the loan clubs to fully develop them. That happens a lot at Chelsea and it's wrong. It's just contract hoarding.
 
We are bigger than frigging Chelsea, and I'm a ****. Their fickle supporters won't turn up man, come on Mumba we will get back to the premier league mate just stick with us.
 
mrsuper said:
We are bigger than frigging Chelsea, and I'm a ****. Their fickle supporters won't turn up man, come on Mumba we will get back to the premier league mate just stick with us.
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Aren't you done with football? Or did you change your mind?

I suggest you look up the definition of fickle.

Then look up what people living in glass houses shouldn't do.
 
Money money money, the loan system favours the big fish, I think its called farming, Chelsea are the biggest culprits, but all of the top clubs do it and they grow richer and richer because they hold all the cards in the loan system as it stands, our demise can be traced back to this short termism and although we appeared to do well from it, long term we suffered, and how.
 
clockstander said:
Money money money, the loan system favours the big fish, I think its called farming, Chelsea are the biggest culprits, but all of the top clubs do it and they grow richer and richer because they hold all the cards in the loan system as it stands, our demise can be traced back to this short termism and although we appeared to do well from it, long term we suffered, and how.
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We did suffer, but only because we were bad at it.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't try again though. That's the way the world turns these days.

Unfortunately.
 
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