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MrRAWhite said:
If it is war then anything that a soldier or any member of the military does against the foe is fine by me. If the government carries out a death penalty then that is totally different..
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That's not what I meant mate.
If the MOD/MI5 put a hit on some terrorist & order Special Forces to carry it out.
How would you feel if it was your son that pulled the trigger?
 
I've watched quite a few documentaries about capital punishment recently and they changed my view on it, I'm glad that we don't have it, yet it doesn't stop me wanting people like this murderer to be executed for what he's gone and done. It's extreme to suggest our powers that be are capable of managing something as serious as a death penalty, when it's blatantly obvious that our legal system is fundamentally corrupt.
 
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Bri OBE said:
Bet you wouldn't blame the executioner either? It would be those passing the orders down you'd blame? The politics of it, not individuals following orders?

Well that's where I'd blame anyway, the politics or it, the decisions made at the highest levels. Never the 'little' man, but then you said nothing to suggest you'd blame the 'little' man.:p
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That's what Eichmann said.
 
Billy Bonehead said:
That's not what I meant mate.
If the MOD/MI5 put a hit on some terrorist & order Special Forces to carry it out.
How would you feel if it was your son that pulled the trigger?
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No offence fella but it has no relevance to the Raw's point, bemused as to why you're leading the thread in this direction. Intrigued though.
 
The killer sounds to be just a reasonably ordinary bloke who kept himself to himself, but my biggest wonder is if he was the quiet type how did he get his hand on a fire arm?

A sad waste of what looks to be a good and promising life?
 
Nostalgic said:
The killer sounds to be just a reasonably ordinary bloke who kept himself to himself, but my biggest wonder is if he was the quiet type how did he get his hand on a fire arm?

A sad waste of what looks to be a good and promising life?
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Sounds like he made the firearm. They've confirmed the murder weapon was home made so possibly not an ordinary bloke. How do you make a gun? Wouldn't know where to start. Heard you can print them out on 3D printers though.
 
Billy Bonehead said:
That's not what I meant mate.
If the MOD/MI5 put a hit on some terrorist & order Special Forces to carry it out.
How would you feel if it was your son that pulled the trigger?
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two totally different things mate..If one of my sons (one of them is seriously considering the armed forces as a career) killed someone as part of his duty I would have no problem at all with that. This is totally different to a death penalty being carried out by the state though..
 
MrRAWhite said:
two totally different things mate..If one of my sons (one of them is seriously considering the armed forces as a career) killed someone as part of his duty I would have no problem at all with that. This is totally different to a death penalty being carried out by the state though..
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See I disagree because I've been there.
How would you feel if your son was the hangman?
 
Billy Bonehead said:
No not at all. I just don't see the differences in getting the armed forces to top some **** or actually hanging them.
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But Raw's focus was on the politics which enables it, not the individuals carrying it out at on the frontline/groundlevel. So like he says, he wouldn't blame the person pulling the trigger, but he may blame the politics/politicians which put them in that situation. That's what I got from his comments anyway.
 
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MrRAWhite said:
That would mean our government had sanctioned the death penalty which I do not agree with and has nothing in common with someone dying or killing in combat
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That's a very nice clean black and white world you think we live in RAW.

I have no doubt "death penalties" are sanctioned on very rare occasions, when the need arises.
 
Blunham Mackem said:
That's a very nice clean black and white world you think we live in RAW.

I have no doubt "death penalties" are sanctioned on very rare occasions, when the need arises.
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I dare bet this does happen in certain circumstances, but totally different from having the death penalty as a legal state punishment which for me would make us no better than the monsters we are up against..
 
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