Mouser Watch #2

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humanbeingincroydon said:
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£40 for a style of shirt that went out of fashion ten years ago.

Still better than Man Utd's home strip, though...[/QUOTE]


Oiii!

naa who am i kidding its not very good <laugh> saying that the last shirt i owned is now 6 years old, Giggs on the back!
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Spurf:3728178 said:
Toela65 said:
How many titles or trophies have the great Spurs, or even Arsenal for that matter, a team allegedly more 'relevant' than LFC now, won in the last 8 years or even further back? How many trophies won since the turn of the Millenium or even since the Prem began?

The only team that will ever get anywhere near as successful in the future as we have been, or even have the riht to be compared with our club in terms of success, is the Mancs, which is why I have a hate-filled respect for them. This brings me to my next point:

Other Liverpool fans ask me a lot; "why do you hate Spurs"? (Spurs are an utter irrelevance to most LFC fans truth be told for obvious reasons).

My answer is, I don't hate Spurs, I hate their fans because their club have achieved nothing in our great sport compared to other teams. Nothing recent beyond an odd cup win and getting in the CL ****ing once (wow and you got all the the way to the quarters, big deal - we always got to the quarters we were angry if we only got to the quarters!)

You won't find me ripping on any Manc or Arsenal boards because they have earned the right to rip Liverpool's recent blip. What they and their clubs have achieved is to be respected, maybe even admired. They have something to shout about and something of value, real concrete like, to back up their words.

However, even when those two teams started achieving their trophies and began to takeover Liverpool, they and their fans still respected what Liverpool had done and achieved before them and displayed some level of humility about their recent success, realising that they had only just arrived as "the best team in the country" and they didn't know how long it would last until they may have returned from whence they came.

Spurs, compared to these other teams, have achieved nothing really. Your claim to fame is that you have came 4th twice and finished above Liverpool 3 times. Thats it. Yet you carry on as some huge club who, like Liverpool all through 2000-2010, were bona fide Top 4 candidates, odds on to finish top 4. Even this hasn't been the case, as both times you came top 4, it was expected Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd and City would finish above you.

If your club had achieved the amount your bragging and talking would suggest I would respect you and your club and wouldn't be on your boards shutting you up. You are johnny come latelys, who aren't, as several people within the game have said, most recently Eduardo, a 'Big' and respected European team who is expected to be in the CL every season and who all the best players in Europe would be expected sign for.

The truth of the matter is you are a medium sized club toying with becoming a big club but just haven't quite got the resources to take the final step and at the same time don't have the history, reputation or pedigree (like Liverpool do) to compensate for this and get you over the line.

If I was a player thinking about my future club, wanting to play CL every year for the next 10 seasons, Spurs wouldn't be a club I'd automatically think off, and thats the truth of the matter that you all hate and can't face which is why you kid yourselves so much. Liverpool here have a luxury, because of our past and all this romanticism about our club, and the wondrous Anfield, and You'll Never Walk Alone etc etc, which, lets face it, is a load of bull**** that only people/players outside of the UK fall for, but I ain't complaining because its mean we sign players like Sahin and Suarez who, in our current plight, we have no right to be able to attract, especially over clubs currently doing better on the pitch (like Spurs and Arsenal) at the moment.

You don't have any of this bull**** and reputation etc behind you. People still are more likely to think in five years time you'll be back in mid-table as opposed to top 4 certs. The truth is it takes a hell of a lot of time and continued success to get that reputation among people in football whether that be players, staff, or fans. It is going to be a long time of you outshining us until people see Spurs in the same bracket as Liverpool in size or bigger than us.

Yet you lot act as if that is already the case and have done since the second you came above is 2010. Its nowhere near enough yet and in the grand scheme of things you've achieved and proved very little so far. You have no humility surrounding you recent 'success' or rise up the table unlike the Arsenal and Utd fans had. They knew in a few years time, things could go back to how they were before their success. You lot take it for granted already though you have never done any of it before and act so arrogant as if the last 3 seasons will repeat itself forevermore, and it won't IMO.

I can take it from the likes of Utd, Arsenal and even the Chavs. There big clubs with the recent trophies to back it up. But all Spurs have is one CL appearance and the "Finishing above Liverpool 2010-2012" trophy. and if your going to bring up the 'history' card then: 1) I am incredibly proud of our history and will never apologise for shouting about it as we earned and deserved every last one of those trophies, just as I'm sure you are proud of getting into the CL, and 2) Since 2000, off the top of my head we've one 13 cups since 2000. 2000 is not history. We won the biggest of them all in 2005. Thats only 7 years ago. We won the FA Cup in 2006, only 6 years ago, and we were in another, or SEVENTH CL final in 2007. Thats just 5 years ago, and we even won a mickey mouse cup just last year. Its still something, and we had to win it despite it being a ****e cup and I've had Gooners even say they'd love to win it just to start winning something again.

So until your medium sized club actually starts winning something, or at least bloody gets into the CL a few more times, and earns the right on merit to be referred to as a big club, I don't think Liverpool fans anywhere should be listening to your lot about who is "deluded" and which set of supporters need a reality check, and we most definitely do not need supporters of a club who've no idea what its like to support a team that wins their league or have seen their team win multiple European Cups.

The funny thing is, that Spurs fans acting the superior and being insufferable prematurely, before you've proven anything yet, could all fall apart pretty quickly as Spurs and Liverpool are both in a precarious spot right now, and in regards to the long term, both clubs are pretty evenly poised.

No-one knows what way it will turn out for the two clubs but Spurs fans in true "Mind The Gap" fashion seem to shouting off that the future is bright for them and they've already won the marathon, whereas Liverpool are doomed and already lost. But as I have just suggested, a few player departures (Alonso,Torres, Modric, VDV - highlight this perfectly), who keeps their best players, decent money spent or not spent, and/or their new Manager turning out to be a bad choice (this looks like it could easily be either AVB or Rodger's so far - neither have impressed yet), it really is impossible to say right here, right now, for certain, which club will be superior in 3-5 year time.

You lot and can see a bright future for Spurs and we can see an equally bright future for Liverpool. If nothing else it will be interesting to see where both clubs go in the next 5 years. I personally think we'll of overtaken you again, and be the better team which is sort of normality being resumed, as for the vast majority of time our two clubs have been around, ours has been the vastly superior. We still have our reputation to trade on and this season will see our revenues increased and back to the levels we had when we played in the CL every year thanks to our new sponsorship deals etc. (why as a club were valued more than most other clubs in the league).

I suppose what I'm trying to say is we'll start taking note of your opinions on our club when he have actually won something, or even played in the CL more than once.

Big club? Don't make me laugh!
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What a waste! <laugh>
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You had to go and quote him didn't you? <doh>
 
there's a turn up for the book's i though he was a Liverpool for life player,but if he want to play for Mourino,he will have to move
 
Style said:
naa who am i kidding its not very good <laugh> saying that the last shirt i owned is now 6 years old, Giggs on the back!
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There's still a couple of seasons left in the old thing, just remember to use correct rotation... er, I mean tumble dry on a low setting <ok>
 
I think that we all know that Gerrard's not going to leave Liverpool for Real.
He wouldn't get into their side.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
He was set to play for Mourinho eight years ago, then got cold feet (or his relatives got bullets in the post, I forget which...)
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Come on now, we all know Don Corleone made him an offer he couldn't refuse (or so the stories go).

As a side note, I find it kind of interesting that after Suarez got abused on here for daring to suggest that a term used in his homeland was not a racial term in the context used, there is a thread on your board defending a derogatory term used by your fans because you use it in a different context. I'm not saying your wrong, but?
 
The_King said:
As a side note, I find it kind of interesting that after Suarez got abused on here for daring to suggest that a term used in his homeland was not a racial term in the context used, there is a thread on your board defending a derogatory term used by your fans because you use it in a different context. I'm not saying your wrong, but?
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Context. The intent of Spurs fans is not in question. It's clearly a show of solidarity.
Suarez was attempting to provoke Evra by using a reference to his race. There's no comparison.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Context. The intent of Spurs fans is not in question. It's clearly a show of solidarity.
Suarez was attempting to provoke Evra by using a reference to his race. There's no comparison.
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As I say, I'm not saying your wrong, but I am sure you can understand that language can be interpreted in many ways, as highlighted in the FA's comprehensively researched findings by linguistic experts in the Suarez case. Lets say a Jewish foreign fan comes to the Lane for a European match not knowing Spurs history and hears the term being used. Would they be wrong in being offended that such language was used, even though you use it as a show of solidarity?

Anyway there is a thread for whether its right or wrong, I'm just highlighting the fact that Suarez was afforded no such luxury of defence, given that Suarez didn't start the argument and at no point did he swear or raise his voice (from Evra's own evidence) it's hard to say if he attempting to provoke Evra.
 
He pinched his arm and said that he didn't speak to blacks.
Hard to see that as anything other than a provocation.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
He pinched his arm and said that he didn't speak to blacks.
Hard to see that as anything other than a provocation.
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Did he? I guess you were closer to the incident than most.

But yeah, sorry, your completely right, Suarez admitting he used a term used without negative connotations in his homeland is completely different from Spurs fans using a term that is used without negative connotations within the Tottenham Hotspur community.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
The difference is that Suarez racially abused Evra using language which was insulting and displayed racial hostility whereas Spurs fans use terms about themselves in a self deprecating way which may have racial connotations. As I've said on the other thread, the law will try to prevent them doing so- and almost certainly will if enforced strictly- but there is no comparison between the two issues.
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Apologies, if you don't see any comparison I guess there isn't one.

I like to look at things a bit subjectively, in the same manner as the Clattenburg case. There is no way I'm going make a claim that its inconceivable that Suarez would racially abuse someone, but without any clear evidence I'm not going to condemn the man of such offence, I'm going to take his word that it was used in the context he explained given that he didn't shy away from the accusations (if he had claimed he absolutely didn't use any language of the sort, whether it be a non offensive word in his homeland or not, and evidence clearly showed he did, I would then doubt his subsequent reasoning). These incidents are rarely clear cut (I was going to use another term but that could be looked at negatively) misunderstanding and finding things in an argument that were not there (as explained by Evra's changing descriptions of both the words used and the understanding of their meaning) can happen, particularly when we are dealing with people using different languages.

All I'm saying is, you can understand that language can be used in different context with different meaning, no?

But then again, hell what do I know
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Context. The intent of Spurs fans is not in question. It's clearly a show of solidarity.
Suarez was attempting to provoke Evra by using a reference to his race. There's no comparison.
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So it was said, funnily enough you believed the reports that time :)

Suarez had already GOT to Evra, which is why Evra initiated the abuse yet got no punishment but why let the truth get in the way of a good story eh.

The whole point is Noone knows what actually happened and everyone has their opinions, thing is, people like you make a call based on pure opinion and go with it as fact, this is the major part of the problem.

Because nothing could be proved no one could face a charge yet that didn't happen.

If Jewish people attending WHL games ARE offended by the term shouted, REGARDLEss of its meaning by Spurs fans those Jewish fans will feel like it is directed at them, so in the context of what you said about Evra Suarez then..your lot are also guilty, 1 because we dont need proof, what we believe is enough and 2 because of perceived offence, by the Evra case logic, and yours <ok>

Personally, I think there is feck all to either case, one was overpaid athletes having handbags and this new fiasco some overactive PC nonsense, I've met a real racist and I had no idea the guy was until the subject came up, his face changed totally, a really unpleasant experience I must say, was actually apprehensive about questioning his fked up beliefs he was that angry about the subject
 
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Are they paying Hiddink in sausages or something?
 
Can I just say, with all this talk we have been subjected to over the last year regarding race and the actions of the footballing community. if there is ever an example to show that the vast majority of people involved in football are good, decent people, Muamba being willed to live by an entire stadium full of people from all different races and backgrounds would be it.
 
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