Michael Collins

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I doubt you're from North London and Spurs fan,simple reason being you're too thick.

how do you mean "too thick" though ?

you asked me to elaborate on my claim that irish isn't a race, and I showed you a genetic map of the English, irish, Scottish and others, which demonstrated that the English and the irish are the same people. how does that make me thick ?
 
It's you who hasn't got a clue pal. I asked you to challenge any of my points, and when you did I demonstrated from that very book that you were wrong.

I would advise you to research your subject a little more. Your knowledge on the topic is hopelessly inept. I have directed you to sources that will help your quest for knowledge. You have chosen not to listen to me.

I was prepared to help you, but you ain't interested.

Please keep hold of that Robert Kee book. I've identified 3-4 areas covered in that book that you have made an absolute **** of. I am curious as to why you chose not to listen to him on those.... But hey. If you ain't prepared to play. I don't see why I should either.

Night night.
 
how do you mean "too thick" though ?

you asked me to elaborate on my claim that irish isn't a race, and I showed you a genetic map of the English, irish, Scottish and others, which demonstrated that the English and the irish are the same people. how does that make me thick ?

By answering
 
I would advise you to research your subject a little more. Your knowledge on the topic is hopelessly inept. I have directed you to sources that will help your quest for knowledge. You have chosen not to listen to me.

I was prepared to help you, but you ain't interested.

Please keep hold of that Robert Kee book. I've identified 3-4 areas covered in that book that you have made an absolute **** of. I am curious as to why you chose not to listen to him on those.... But hey. If you ain't prepared to play. I don't see why I should either.

Night night.

that's all you can say though. every time I ask you to challenge a point ive made, you just say something like, "Your knowledge on the topic is hopelessly inept". it's a meaningless response, and a hopeless response. you haven't identified 3-4 areas ive got wrong. you haven't identified any. you tried to identify one and you got it wrong. it's a patheticly vague and evasive response to my detailed factual explanations, and a response which is clearly based on you abject ignorance of the subject matter.
 
First learn to spell digestible <ok>

I'll bullet point it for you, to make it more digestable. <ok>

-1918 was a general election in which there was a protest vote against the threat of conscription during the war (britain and Ireland had just come out of the greatest war in history against Germany).
Opinion or fact? State a peer reviewed source please! The more accepted version is the public opinion sway toward the republican movement as a result of the treatment and execution of the leaders of the Easter Rising, even though it did take no part

-the general election in Ireland was a farce with widespread intimidation of the population by republicans which led to many seats being unopposed because no one dared to stand against sinn fein.
Just because a seat goes uncontested does not mean it was the result of intimidation. You seem to be inferring without evidence again. IPP and Sinn fein very much fought this election together in many areas Peer reviewed evidence please

-genuine sinn fein voters later bragged of voting up to 20 times each (as documented by kee)
As documented? Was he there to document it? What is his source

-the vote wasn't a refuerdnum on independence. everyone knew that there was no legal right to independence (this didn't stop sinn fein declaring independence on winning the most seats in Ireland, but the declaration received no international recognition)
I never stated it was a referendum, but it was an overwhelming vote for a Republican party. They had every right to feel they had the democratic majority was behind them. "Legal right" <laugh> go tell that to Americans about the declaration of independence, see how they give 2 ****s

-in spite of the above, less than 50% of the votes recorded were for sinn feinn.
They didnt create the system of voting

-the only vote for independence was in 1927 when less than 1/6 of the island voted for independence.
I can find no source for this vote or election. But a majority approved DeValera's constitution in 1937 in the refurendum held

-when sinn fein asked the pope to endorse sinn fein's claim to independence after the referendum he declined
What has the pope got to do with this?

-in 1931 William Cosgrave wrote to the british prime minister assuring him of Ireland's loyalty to the king, and that Ireland recognised that it could not declare independence from the british empire and that its people had no will to
And a few years later they changed their mind, so ......?

-In 1980? when the british government declared a refurndum in northern Ireland, republicans threatened to blow up the voting stations, and 98% returned in favour of remaining part of the UK.
98% <laugh> thats like something Mugabe would come up with. Please if you feel the voting in NI in the early 80s was fair you really are more delusional than I thought
 
Here Mick, did you know that in the December 1910 General Election in the UK the Liberals won more seats than anyone else.

Yet they didn't one single vote from a female.

Not a single one.
 
I can find no source for this vote or election. But a majority approved DeValera's constitution in 1937 in the refurendum held

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A majority ? 55% of votes cast approved it. that was 38% of the electorate, and it excluded the unionist north.

that's the only mandate the irish republic has.

you think that every Irishman wanted independence from the british empire, but the best you could do was 38% excluding protestants. pathetic.
 
What has the pope got to do with this?

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Ask someone at Sinn Fein. They asked him to endorse the constitution, and he refused.

Probably because his predecessors had purported to bequive the island of Ireland to the King of England.

But typical republicans, no dount they'd have been shouting from the roof tops if he'd endorsed it, but like everything else, it's just been swept under the carpet because he refused.
 
And a few years later they changed their mind, so ......?
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no they didn't change their mind. 38% of the population (excluding protestant northern Ireland) voted for independence from the british empire.

even if they had changed their mind it would have been illegal (as recognised by Cosgrave), but they didn't change their mind.
 
that's all you can say though. every time I ask you to challenge a point ive made, you just say something like, "Your knowledge on the topic is hopelessly inept". it's a meaningless response, and a hopeless response. you haven't identified 3-4 areas ive got wrong. you haven't identified any. you tried to identify one and you got it wrong. it's a patheticly vague and evasive response to my detailed factual explanations, and a response which is clearly based on you abject ignorance of the subject matter.

Oh ok then.

The first Irish settlers came from the Basque Country.

Now go away, heed my advice. Learn about your subject and we'll move on to your next calamity<ok>
 
As documented? Was he there to document it? What is his source
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he interviewed them, and broadcast the interviews on RTE and BBC.
 
Oh ok then.

The first Irish settlers came from the Basque Country.

Now go away, heed my advice. Learn about your subject and we'll move on to your next calamity<ok>

It's not my subject, but I still know vastly more about it than you. <ok>

Even if the original inhabitants of both islands came directly from Portugal, that would demonstrate my point that the English and the irish are the same race, not the claim made on this thread that they are a different race. according to kee, the Portuguese (or whatever they were) came to this island first and then some of them migrated to Ireland, before being invaded by waves of outsiders including the gaels. subsequently modern English moved into Ireland and further assimilated the gene pool.
 
I can find no source for this vote or election. But a majority approved DeValera's constitution in 1937 in the refurendum held

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A majority ? 55% of votes cast approved it. that was 38% of the electorate, and it excluded the unionist north.

that's the only mandate the irish republic has.

you think that every Irishman wanted independence from the british empire, but the best you could do was 38% excluding protestants. pathetic.

Are you being serious. The North had long opted out of the Free State by this stage
 
What has the pope got to do with this?

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Ask someone at Sinn Fein. They asked him to endorse the constitution, and he refused.

Probably because his predecessors had purported to bequive the island of Ireland to the King of England.

But typical republicans, no dount they'd have been shouting from the roof tops if he'd endorsed it, but like everything else, it's just been swept under the carpet because he refused.


I told you yesterday I'd take the piss out of your ****ey spelling

Bequive.....

**** sake<doh>
 
98% thats like something Mugabe would come up with. Please if you feel the voting in NI in the early 80s was fair you really are more delusional than I thought
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_sovereignty_referendum,_1973#Results

sorry, it was 98.9% <ok>

Again, thinking only 1.1% of the voting population would vote for a united ireland in 1973, you really are beyond delusional. im not disputing the figure the election contrived, im disputing its validity