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See here's where this thread will get close to the bone.

You're looking at this purely subjectively, based on what you think... here me out.

My dad had severe depression and a gambling addiction and he killed himself.

You look at that sentence and you identify the red part as the killer and I identify the blue part as the killer (I'm colour blind if I've got either of those wrong).

The fact is, both lead to the death of the person, but without the (direct) blue bit, my dad would possibly still be alive.

Without the (indirect) red bit, the man is still dead 100% of the time.

That's the only way I can explain it, sorry if it seems a bit patronising.
Not patronising at all Terry. You know I'm aware of that mate. I'm sorry for your loss. Personally, I identify the red and the blue as the killer. One reason could be severely depressed and suffer from severe anxiety, throw that in with an addictive behaviour then you have the recipe for disaster. I know it's a touchy subject but your always the first yourself to comment on these yourself.
 
I know. Things are reclassified all the time as Brian has said.
I wonder how many of those men that were shot for desertion in WW1 would now be diagnosed with PTSD?

Well we'll never know mate, undoubtedly many.

The fact is, like Bri said earlier in this thread... we're only scratching the surface with the human mind. It's far too complicated for our generation to decrypt, that's one of the points I was trying to get across on the addiction thread.

For a pharma company to throw money at mental health, it's like watching them throw a handful of notes at an open window from 10 feet away, one or two will go in, but the rest will land on the floor, completely wasted.

That's why they put so much more money into (physical) pain, it's a massive money spinner for them, they can throw it from 2 feet away then and when they hit gold, you're talking about every person in every developed country in the world at some point, being their target market.
 
Not patronising at all Terry. You know I'm aware of that mate. I'm sorry for your loss. Personally, I identify the red and the blue as the killer. One reason could be severely depressed and suffer from severe anxiety, throw that in with an addictive behaviour then you have the recipe for disaster. I know it's a touchy subject but your always the first yourself to comment on these yourself.

No harm done mate, I'm sorry for digging up the other thread. <ok>

We're arguing over the terminology of the word 'direct' here, that's all.

We both accept that mental health is a killer, that's all that matters.
 
My mum told me when I was 16, funny story actually...

He died when I was two, but she told me he died when I was 6 shortly after my granddad died, she realised I could deal with 'death' at that age. What she told me aged 6 was that he died of a heart attack.

Ok
Fast forward 10 years and I'm having a medical (part of the Armed Forces thing) in Guy's Hospital in London, at the specialist heart unit, to see if the condition is ****ing hereditary <doh> I get back home off the train and my mum tells me he killed himself and I just wasted a full day going to London, to get some specialist to tell me my heart is in tip top shape <laugh>

I use him as a barrier in my life, to stop me going to the lengths he went to, to 'solve' his problems. I've seen first hand the destruction he caused the family and I could never do that to my family. I sort of use that to tell myself he didn't die in vain. He dug me out of some dark places in his own way.

It's really easy for me to talk about it because I never knew him, we never bonded.

OK my lady was 3 when her Dad died, she was also told when she was three that he died of heat failure, when she was 13 she overheard her step father arguing with her mother where he mentioned the suicide of her father. When she was 15 she was told the truth. She doesn't remember her dad either, one vague memory that's it.

Try the test fella. No harm in it.

http://www.bpddemystified.com/resources/online-test/
 
OK my lady was 3 when her Dad died, she was also told when she was three that he died of heat failure, when she was 13 she overheard her step father arguing with her mother where he mentioned the suicide of her father. When she was 15 she was told the truth. She doesn't remember her dad either, one vague memory that's it.

Try the test fella. No harm in it.

http://www.bpddemystified.com/resources/online-test/

It's amazing innit, how many people have gone through exactly the same situation as yourself but you think you're on your own and nobody would understand.

We're losing touch with humanity every day as a race, putting all of our faith into technology, it's a massive shame.

Humans have the ability to heal each other, without drugs.

I'll give it a shot <ok>
 
Sorry to here that fella.

How long have you known about what happened to your dad fella?

Costochondritis combined with Anxiety, depression, Your da killed himself. All those things happened to Georgie mate. Have you discussed BPD with your doctor? You mirror my lady's symptoms and life events.
I had a long term problem with my chest and I thought it was Costochondritis
And was treated with strong pain killer pads to be placed on my chest.
Since the I have been diagnosed with degenerative disc decease together with my trapped nerve problem.we just have to try our best.having said all that there are a lot of people worse off.god bless to them.its not nice to here such sad news
<bubbly>
 
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It's amazing innit, how many people have gone through exactly the same situation as yourself but you think you're on your own and nobody would understand.

We're losing touch with humanity every day as a race, putting all of our faith into technology, it's a massive shame.

Humans have the ability to heal each other, without drugs.

I'll give it a shot <ok>

Too true. In a time where we're discovering more about mental health than ever the world is becoming so impersonal. Sharing will always be an essential part of mental health therapy but the opportunity to do so seems harder and harder. Especially as an official line of treatment. It's just pills for everything.
 
I had a long term problem with my chest and I thought it was Costochondritis
And was treated with strong pain killer pads to be placed on my chest.
Since the I have been diagnosed with degenerative disc decease together with my trapped nerve problem.we just have to try our best.having said all that there are a lot of people worse off.god bless to them.its not nice to here such sad news
<bubbly>

Costochondritis can be brought on by many things, chances are your other ailments have triggered it. Anxiety triggered it with my lady and with Tel it will have almost certainly being a combo of his Anxiety and training.
 
I take I gabapentien three time a day as I did 18 months ago.
For a month to get me over the pain barrier.
I realy don't like medication unless absaloutly necessary.
I will wean my self of these tablets slowly over the next month
I know I will still be in pain but I will try like I did last time
then throw them away.
<bubbly>
 
Too true. In a time where we're discovering more about mental health than ever the world is becoming so impersonal. Sharing will always be an essential part of mental health therapy but the opportunity to do so seems harder and harder. Especially as an official line of treatment. It's just pills for everything.

One severe two moderate <ok>

My severe one is already being dealt with by my 'smiling friend' I'm meeting her next week, hopefully she's not some hippy like Cardew or she could end up stuffed inside her own arse <laugh>

I know mate, pills, pills, pills, I took your advice by the way and I went back in on Sunday, been every day since and already feeling the benefit. Sometimes the solution is right under your nose, cheers mate.
 
No harm done mate, I'm sorry for digging up the other thread. <ok>

We're arguing over the terminology of the word 'direct' here, that's all.

We both accept that mental health is a killer, that's all that matters.
No need to apologise mate, as you said we've acknowledged problems in our respective countries which we're concerned about. Take care brother :emoticon-0150-hands
 
One severe two moderate <ok>

My severe one is already being dealt with by my 'smiling friend' I'm meeting her next week, hopefully she's not some hippy like Cardew or she could end up stuffed inside her own arse <laugh>

I know mate, pills, pills, pills, I took your advice by the way and I went back in on Sunday, been every day since and already feeling the benefit. Sometimes the solution is right under your nose, cheers mate.

You're back in the Gym?
 
Costochondritis can be brought on by many things, chances are your other ailments have triggered it. Anxiety triggered it with my lady and with Tel it will have almost certainly being a combo of his Anxiety and training.

I've just googled that...

I used to get that a lot, hurt like a ****er, it's gone completely now, but it was horrible.

I had sever pain in my intercostals as well, felt like imminent heart attack for about 3 years.
 
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Costochondritis can be brought on by many things, chances are your other ailments have triggered it. Anxiety triggered it with my lady and with Tel it will have almost certainly being a combo of his Anxiety and training.
Your correct the trouble is its hard to diagnose.
If the patent knows nowt about the ailment that dosnt help.
Doctors are reluctant to say it is Costochondritis . As for many things that trigger Ito had major anxiety Dec 2012.
<bubbly>
 
Your correct the trouble is its hard to diagnose.
If the patent knows nowt about the ailment that dosnt help.
Doctors are reluctant to say it is Costochondritis .
<bubbly>

When my lady had her first experienced of it she thought it was heart related so went to A&E and they completely missed it. She only got the diagnosis because her usual GP wasn't available and the replacement had recently had a case.
 
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I am back mate, yeah.

The gym is my sanctuary, wasn't very pleasant on day one mind, almost puked my guts up but powered through!

You see I know this and I understand mental health. There's no doubt those pills would have got you back in the gym. 90% they will have worked, but you'll have had 2 weeks waiting for the low dose to kick in, and another month and a half of raising you dosage to level to get you back in the gym, and with that you'll have had to deal with all the side effects. Clearly your doctor underestimates the power of friendly encouragement. As a couple of muckers on here have helped you bypass 2 months of unneeded medication to achieve the same thing. Now your healthy routine is back to being your treatment. The treatment that works best for you.

You're welcome mate:). Hope you're enjoying it. Bet your first few sessions were a killer. <laugh>
 
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