Mafia 4

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moreinjuredthanowen said:
right back from meeting.

IBWT:

says he is forced to vote and cannot change. He is also ineffect says he's been leaned on which in my view is actually against the rules a bit.

swarbs i think you can't assume all hat will occur but i guess assuming worst case aint bad either seeing we don't know.

Possible theories:

1. The heavy is indeed leaning on IBWT and said vote sky.

2. IBWT is mafia and is doing this to be sneaky.

3. we have all misinterpreted the comment and some other rule is in place.

examining these:

HEAVY leaned on IBWT with vote:

1. PM would come FROM ASTRO at 10am after paper with vote to give. (please read the rules, there's no point in having a heavy thats revealed day one. astro does pm in my view)

2. IBWT voted after 10 am.

IBWT is mafia...

1.game 2 and 3 performances suggest just such a move by IBWT to confuse everyone and give a reason to sit back.

2. by being public in being leaned on IBWT gives perfect cover to himself. i.e. "i am an innocent cos mafia leaned on me."

what other rule?

1. only heavy role specifically calls out a reason as ibwt intimated.


thus we can say that this vote is suspicious but does tell me either or not IBWT is mafia or innocent. Sorry biscan but you have been too sneaky before for me to just assume anything right now. Your vote puts you out there which you might have thought to do as you sat back last games. Equally you could still be innocent

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out as the first crumb on offer. I also hope that guys don't fail to remember it later in game (for good or bad) in the last game on day 2 we ended up restating day 1 all over and not using the info.
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I agree with this but that doesn't apply to a Mafia member of course :) Biscan isn't stupid (<yikes>), he will know he can't say he's been leaned on and he will know his comments have made it pretty clear. I guess if he is innocent than its a judgement call for Astro.
 
Gerrez said:
<laugh> Of course I am.

I wasn't sure whether to take part in this game or not. Having found out that there is a private forum for those that have been killed or aren't playing, I think I'd rather be there than here with a boring role. Therefore, I might yet vote for myself :p
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ahhhh double bluffing now...revealing all your cards so early in the game Gerrez...oh vote for me statement to divert attention...we know Gerrez...we know....the noose awaits you.
 
Swarbs said:
The heavy has to PM astro by 10am, so the assumption is that astro will then PM the player who they must vote for.

If the player found out who the heavy was when they get selected, that would screw the game up as after three or four days enough people would know who the heavy was to identify and lynch him.
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for the mafia to carry this off they'd need another couple of votes on sky. ANYONE voting sky from here on in will be seen as highly suspicious by most of us as we know on day 1 sky is a known innocent.

therefore we should be seeing 3/4 votes on each suspect we put up for lynch so that this one IBWT vote for sky cannot be easily used to turn sky into the lynchee.

ie...

lets get a tie of 3 guys going with 4 votes each and then if anyone votes for sky late they get switched too and offed.

I'd also humbly submit that IBWt should do the honorable thing if sky is at risk and change said vote and die.
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
No idea...

Astro It doesn't say o can't do this so....

I got a pm from Astro just after 10am to say I had to vote for sky or else...

I then voted for him so assume the heavy has forced me to.

Must have been someone that been active on the board this morning? Or poss late last night
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No point in investigating Biscan now. If he's telling the truth then he's going to die at nightfall anyway. If he's lying then it doesn't matter that he's claiming to be forced as his own group won't kill him, therefore must be Mafia.
 
brb said:
ahhhh double bluffing now...revealing all your cards so early in the game Gerrez...oh vote for me statement to divert attention...we know Gerrez...we know....the noose awaits you.
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Can I have a copy of whatever you're reading please? <laugh>
 
Day 1 So Far, as agreed to help out

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Gerrez[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]AfcFtw, BRB, valley[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Lucaaas[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]Mito[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]BRB[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]gerrez[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]IBWT[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]nozzer, billy[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]RHC[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]bodanki[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]sky[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]IBWT[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]afcftw[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]swarbs[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

not voted: RHC, Milk, Danilo, Lucaaas, Skylarker


This is the table as i can see it right now. if anyone thinks its out please do let us know. .. all mods can edit post if required.
 
Gerrez said:
No point in investigating Biscan now. If he's telling the truth then he's going to die at nightfall anyway. If he's lying then it doesn't matter that he's claiming to be forced as his own group won't kill him, therefore must be Mafia.
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Is he?

There doesn't seem to be any rule saying whether he can or cannot say he has been leaned on. Tho' I think there really should.

In fact I think the following do need to be clarified asap so we actually know what we're doing(ish)!

1. Can someone say they have been leaned on to vote one way by the heavy?
2. How many assassinations can the Mafia assassin make?
3. How many people can the Mafia recruit?
4. Can the Mafia recruit more than their original four members?

I'm guessing some of this may come under the twists astro mentioned in the OP, but it would still be good if he could answer, even if it's to say that the answers won't be revealed until later!
 
Swarbs said:
Is he?

There doesn't seem to be any rule saying whether he can or cannot say he has been leaned on. Tho' I think there really should.

In fact I think the following do need to be clarified asap so we actually know what we're doing(ish)!

1. Can someone say they have been leaned on to vote one way by the heavy?
2. How many assassinations can the Mafia assassin make?
3. How many people can the Mafia recruit?
4. Can the Mafia recruit more than their original four members?

I'm guessing some of this may come under the twists astro mentioned in the OP, but it would still be good if he could answer, even if it's to say that the answers won't be revealed until later!
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I guess I must of read it in the previous thread.
 
I think the spirit of the game astro created was outlined in the pregame sign up... namely if you were leaned on by a Mafioso you've be too scared to tell everyone cos you'd be dead. however we don't know so we shouldn't get hung up on that.

I agree with clarification.

however:

the rule says that as long as ibwt doesn't change his vote he lives. therefore this boils down to do you believe its a ploy or the truth. if you believe one or the other then vote whatever way you like. I'm undecided.

on the other rules i think astro doesn't want us to know and we have to keep guessing which i think will be fun later in rounds as you just won't know and can you take a risk. the only way to end mafia kills is to get the assasin.. for example.. i like the concept.
 
Swarbs said:
Is he?

There doesn't seem to be any rule saying whether he can or cannot say he has been leaned on. Tho' I think there really should.

In fact I think the following do need to be clarified asap so we actually know what we're doing(ish)!

1. Can someone say they have been leaned on to vote one way by the heavy?
2. How many assassinations can the Mafia assassin make?
3. How many people can the Mafia recruit?
4. Can the Mafia recruit more than their original four members?

I'm guessing some of this may come under the twists astro mentioned in the OP, but it would still be good if he could answer, even if it's to say that the answers won't be revealed until later!
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
I think the spirit of the game astro created was outlined in the pregame sign up... namely if you were leaned on by a Mafioso you've be too scared to tell everyone cos you'd be dead. however we don't know so we shouldn't get hung up on that.

I agree with clarification.

however:

the rule says that as long as ibwt doesn't change his vote he lives. therefore this boils down to do you believe its a ploy or the truth. if you believe one or the other then vote whatever way you like. I'm undecided.

on the other rules i think astro doesn't want us to know and we have to keep guessing which i think will be fun later in rounds as you just won't know and can you take a risk. the only way to end mafia kills is to get the assasin.. for example.. i like the concept.
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:emoticon-0127-lipss
 
Really shouldn't all townies just wait late to vote (if possible). We have to protect Sky so anyone voting for him we all have to change our votes to them surely :) Simple that....For now I will vote IBWT but anyone voting later on for Sky I will change my vote to them before 8pm <ok>

#protectandserve
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
I think the spirit of the game astro created was outlined in the pregame sign up... namely if you were leaned on by a Mafioso you've be too scared to tell everyone cos you'd be dead. however we don't know so we shouldn't get hung up on that.
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I agree we shouldn't get too hung up on it, but I think it would be good to clarify this point. If people can reveal when they've been forced to vote by the heavy then that could make it quite easy to work out the Mafia strategy, particularly if someone is forced to vote in a decisive vote.

I would tend to agree with you and Greez that if someone is forced to vote by the heavy they cannot say, or imply, that they have been told how to vote, as part of the deal should be that they are too scared to do so.

astroturfnaut said:
:emoticon-0127-lipss
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Ok, sounds good to me. Makes it harder to plan for freemasons etc, as they won't know in advance what capabilities the Mafia still have, so can't reveal themselves without some fear of reprisals <ok>

But would still like a ruling on whether the person leant on by the heavy can say they have been forced to vote without fear of being killed.
 
Gerrez said:
No point in investigating Biscan now. If he's telling the truth then he's going to die at nightfall anyway. If he's lying then it doesn't matter that he's claiming to be forced as his own group won't kill him, therefore must be Mafia.
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Why am I going to die <yikes>

I checked and checked again and no where does it say I can't admit to being leaned on so don't think that would automatically kill me?

Also I'll happily change my vote and take one for the team of aly is close to being up for lynching in order to take one for the team
 
The artist Billy Can can said:
Really shouldn't all townies just wait late to vote (if possible). We have to protect Sky so anyone voting for him we all have to change our votes to them surely :) Simple that....For now I will vote IBWT but anyone voting later on for Sky I will change my vote to them before 8pm <ok>

#protectandserve
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it depends.... I still say having 3/4 people at risk is the best way. If we get more up with gerrez whomever that may be it might help. then people can still switch late. I am with you though.. i'll change my vote to anyone else voting for sky.......... unless.... they claim to be also influenced by the mafia in which case i would want a 2 way tie between them and ibwt.
 
I asked if I could reveal id be leant on and got no answer and it says no where o can't so I wanted to make it quite clear as the plan obviously worked initially.

A few of you, billy Gerrez mito in particular had me down as Mafia right away because of it. Was only that swarbs pointed out the heavy role that you remembered I might have been told to vote that way.

Mafia is obviously smart enough to realise it would cast doubt on people's
Minds which is what is has done now :(
 
If I'm bluffing someone else could come forward and claim to be under he Mafia heavies influence... And it would be pretty obvious I was lying?

Will wait and see if that's the case
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
I asked if I could reveal id be leant on and got no answer and it says no where o can't so I wanted to make it quite clear as the plan obviously worked initially.

A few of you, billy Gerrez mito in particular had me down as Mafia right away because of it. Was only that swarbs pointed out the heavy role that you remembered I might have been told to vote that way.

Mafia is obviously smart enough to realise it would cast doubt on people's
Minds which is what is has done now :(
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Actually I didn't say you were. I clearly said i was undecided so are you lumping us all in one boat or trying to asks suspicions around.. I didn't comment until after

I worte

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so....

"IBWT gets the nomination for wow post of the day....

that one is amazing.


anyway now i posted a vote table i hope we get focused.

I've no reason for any suspicions so far... I must say that with 7 people voted on so far thats getting nicely random. I hope we can find some means to get a tie with enough in it to maybe get some info later... however its fun and greez can be stubborn as tradition now requires until someone jumps off him."

then swarbs wrote his post and i did an analysis of 3 options inclduing you being innocent.... so your.. "mito in particular had me down as Mafia right away because of " gets my heckles right up. not a good way to convince me of your innocence.
 
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