London's most successful club add yet another trophy

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

I think Wenger will win a league with this squad.

I think Mourinho would have failed dramatically if he was in charge of Arsenal in the trophy less years. He would not have been able to buy his way to success and would have had to sell his best players every year instead of buying the best players every year. It's a situation he has never been in and I think he would totally lose his cool and leave the club within a couple of years. I don't think he has either the class, patience or experience to have taken on the task at Arsenal. We needed someone who would give us stability and consistency on a shoe string, who would prioritise the club and it's long term needs over his individual success and plaudits, which I don't think Jose could do.

He did it at Unaio, Inter and Porto on smaller budget than Arsenal

 

[afcftw]

He did it at Unaio, Inter and Porto on smaller budget than Arsenal

At those clubs he didn't have to sell his best players every season and was in a prime position to be successful in uncompetitive leagues... He also didn't have to sustain it over a ten year period... Jose has never been in a position anything like the role at Arsenal required during those years.

 

[BITKOSB]

I think Wenger will win a league with this squad. I also think Mourinho would, he knows how to win.

I think Mourinho would have failed dramatically if he was in charge of Arsenal in the trophy less years. He would not have been able to buy his way to success and would have had to sell his best players every year instead of buying the best players every year. It's a situation he has never been in and I think he would totally lose his cool and leave the club within a couple of years. I don't think he has either the class, patience or experience to have taken on the task at Arsenal. We needed someone who would give us stability and consistency on a shoe string, who would prioritise the club and it's long term needs over his individual success and plaudits, which I don't think Jose could do.

I think .............. I don't think ................ thems the facts eh?

Go back to bed and sleep it off.

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

Whoever was at Arsenal during the period where we moved from Highbury to the Emirates was going to struggle. The club have made no secret of the fact that without a sugar daddy, we would have to pay our own way and that meant almost o decade of frugal times. Coupled with Chelsea and City spending almost £1bn each of rich benefactors money on their squads, then it's no wonder that Arsenal struggled to win trophies.

That said, my personal opinion is that Wenger steered us through one of the most challenging times at our club, almost won the CL in the process, managed to keep Arsenal in the top 4 whilst Liverpool and the Spuds tried to spend their way into it and has now started to deliver trophies once again.

Your lack of success is not just to do with the amount other clubs spent.

It is mainly that Wenger could not instil the winning mentality into his players anymore possibly blaming sugar daddies etc

I did not see Simeone making excuses at Madrid or Jose complaining about Inter having a smaller budget than AC etc

 

[afcftw]

I think .............. I don't think ................ thems the facts eh?

Go back to bed and sleep it off.

This is a football forum for discussion and sharing opinions, what are you going on about?

P.s. I feel dirty wasting my time responding to you lol

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

At those clubs he didn't have to sell his best players every season and was in a prime position to be successful in uncompetitive leagues... He also didn't have to sustain it over a ten year period... Jose has never been in a position anything like the role at Arsenal required during those years.

Of course you are right about sustaining but check Jose's wage bill at Inter in 2010 and Porto in 2004 compared to Arsenal's.

He also won European cups too on that budget. He sold his best player Ibra to rebuild his squad in 09 before doing the treble

 

[BITKOSB]

Arsenal consider top 4 success these days. Last year we finished 3rd and we felt shame. This year United were 4th and they are pi55ed off with that. Different mentality for the big boys.

 

[PINKIE]

Fair enough but how long was acceptable to win nothing?

10 seasons, 12, 14?

Well it was 9 seasons, but for very tangible reasons as outlined. Also as mentioned, there's no way Jose would have managed to keep Arsenal in the top 4 as Wenger did without the backing of a rich benefactor. He just wouldn't have been able handle it, because without the praise he is like a little kid on the brink of a tantrum and the job at Arsenal over the last decade was a thankless task.

However, even during those lean seasons, it pales into insignificance when you consider how long Chelsea went without winning a trophy before they got pumped by Roman.

 

[BITKOSB]

This is a football forum for discussion and sharing opinions, what are you going on about?

P.s. I feel dirty wasting my time responding to you lol

I think you have wasted your time. I think your opinion is thinking that your thinking. I think you should go back to bed......... think about it eh?

 

[Ozil >>> Judesc]

Arsenal win the right way by playing good football unlike Chelsea who just park the bus and hope for Hazard to bail them out. I feel sorry for the guy tbh. A real exciting player stifled by Mourinho's boring football.

 

[PINKIE]

Your lack of success is not just to do with the amount other clubs spent.

It is mainly that Wenger could not instil the winning mentality into his players anymore possibly blaming sugar daddies etc

I did not see Simeone making excuses at Madrid or Jose complaining about Inter having a smaller budget than AC etc

You'd like that to be the case. But the realty is that Jose wouldn't have been able to cut it at Arsenal without the backing of a sugar daddy.

 

[afcftw]

Of course you are right about sustaining but check Jose's wage bill at Inter in 2010 and Porto in 2004 compared to Arsenal's.

He also won European cups too on that budget

There is no point comparing them to Arsenal, you need to compare them to the other teams in there leagues at that time. At Porto he was spending the most at inter he was spending the most or second most, at arsenal wenger was spending the fourth/fifth most. That's a huge difference in terms of top competition. Imagine while he was at inter if AC and Juve spent a billion each on players, would he still have won the treble?

His European record is incredible, his teams were definitely not the best in the competitions in the years he won the big prize, hats off to him for his ability to churn out boring wins against better teams, no-one does it quite like Mourinho. He is a very talented manager, one of the best in the world. I just don't think his set of skills were the set we needed during the trophy less years. In particular he would have struggled with not being the centre of attention, the club had to be put before the manager and I just don't think that is his style.

 

[afcftw]

I think you have wasted your time. I think your opinion is thinking that your thinking. I think you should go back to bed......... think about it eh?

I think you should do more thinking and less typing.

 

[BITKOSB]

Well it was 9 seasons, but for very tangible reasons as outlined. Also as mentioned, there's no way Jose would have managed to keep Arsenal in the top 4 as Wenger did without the backing of a rich benefactor. He just wouldn't have been able handle it, because without the praise he is like a little kid on the brink of a tantrum and the job at Arsenal over the last decade was a thankless task.

However, even during those lean seasons, it pales into insignificance when you consider how long Chelsea went without winning a trophy before they got pumped by Roman.

3 years mate but then your not that good with your statements are you? Your previous on these threads is a joke.

9 seasons ' pales into insignificance' in comparison to 3 in Piskie world.

Gooners keep on giving.

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

There is no point comparing them to Arsenal, you need to compare them to the other teams in there leagues at that time. At Porto he was spending the most at inter he was spending the most or second most, at arsenal wenger was spending the fourth/fifth most. That's a huge difference in terms of top competition. Imagine while he was at inter if AC and Juve spent a billion each on players, would he still have won the treble?

His European record is incredible, his teams were definitely not the best in the competitions in the years he won the big prize, hats off to him for his ability to churn out boring wins against better teams, no-one does it quite like Mourinho. He is a very talented manager, one of the best in the world. I just don't think his set of skills were the set we needed during the trophy less years. In particular he would have struggled with not being the centre of attention, the club had to be put before the manager and I just don't think that is his style.

Fair enough.

But would you really have found three managers, a bit of chop and change and say a league title and more cups so painful.

My boss has changed and a few times but we are still successful.

Change can be good even when repaying stadium debt: see Bayern who got their commercial revenue up when Arsenal stood still.

If you had kept up commercially with other clubs even with Chelsea say, you would have had more money to spend during the trophy less decade

 

[PINKIE]

3 years mate but then your not that good with your statements are you? Your previous on these threads is a joke.

9 seasons ' pales into insignificance' in comparison to 3 in Piskie world.

Gooners keep on giving.

1971 to 1997 is 26 barren years

 

[BITKOSB]

I think you should do more thinking and less typing.

Your exceptional at thinking mate. You just make little sense.

Did you not fancy your F A Cup parade? Or are you just thinking about it?

'I've got a thai curry, with battered lemon chicken on the side, a double decker multipack and a bottle of baileys to enjoy throughout the coverage today...'

I think your just a telly clapper.

 

[afcftw]

Fair enough.

But would you really have found three managers, a bit of chop and change and say a league title and more cups so painful.

My boss has changed and a few times but we are still successful.

Change can be good even when repaying stadium debt: see Bayern

I get the point your making, I just think the stability and consistency has been really important to the club and keeping Wenger at the helm has allowed things to feel stable even while losing top players. A year or two out of the CL would have set us back a lot and no club bar Arsenal has stayed in the top four. If even one of the chop and change manager appointments failed like at Liverpool or utd, it could have had much deeper effects than a bad season. So all in all I think it was the right choice to stick with wenger.

 

[BITKOSB]

1971 to 1997 is 26 barren years

You did say pre Roman? Would you like a hand to move those goalposts?

 

[afcftw]

Your exceptional at thinking mate. You just make little sense.

Did you not fancy your F A Cup parade? Or are you just thinking about it?

'I've got a thai curry, with battered lemon chicken on the side, a double decker multipack and a bottle of baileys to enjoy throughout the coverage today...'

I think your just a telly clapper.

So many ******ed things in this post I don't even know where to start