Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

No, the incentive was there for him to stay.

£375,000 a week's worth of incentive.

How does this sit with your narrative? I take it this is OK when it suits.

 

Oh, hi there Mr. Southgate. Good to have you here!

 

What's the narrative, Chief? My narrative that a player that costs us games should not be getting £240k/week? Or you're talking about the fact that I insisted that it was madness to pay a goalkeeper £375k/week?

Let me make my position very clear to you...
1. A donkey should never be paid £240k/week.

2. A goalkeeper should not be paid £375k/week in a league that no other keeper earns more than £121k/week. It is foolish and detrimental to future negotiations with outfield players. Note***: This is not an indictment on De Gea. This is simply contract and risk management dialogue.

3. Rashford's situation is completely different. But you will use a broad umbrella and to align it with a case that I have made without providing context to each circumstance. But I hope points #1 and #2 helps clear it up for ya.

 

You ever wondered why Southgate picks him? You think he's bumming him or summat?

It's because he's never ****ed up in an England shirt. World cup semi, Euro's final, World Cup quarter, and all the qualifying an ever present.

That's because in a certain way of playing he's a good defender.

Ten Hag doesn’t play the same way.

Doesn't make him a donkey, doesn't make him a liability, doesn't mean he should be chased out of the club by clueless idiots.

It means Ten Hag prefers a different type of player.

Glad to help. You need it

 

You cry about everyone's wages.

That narrative.

 

This is funny! You have personally slatted Southgate on this forum. Yet here you are justifying Southgate's amazing tactics to validate your ridiculous position that Maguire is still not that bad for the team. The way ETH wants the team to play has zero to do with a defender commanding confidence when he plays for the team. In that regard, Maguire failed himself! You can't possibly blame the manager's mode of play for that. It is all in Maguire's head which is harder for him to overcome when he puts on the shirt. Effectively, he became a liability for the team and the manager. BTW, Maguire was a liability long before ETH.

But as I've said, I believe he will do better in another team that will give him a clean start.

Now, stop being ridiculous by defending the indefensible. You're looking ridiculous with that ridiculous position you're taking.

 

Of course, I do! When you have fkers that have constantly made insane wages in the past ten years with nothing to show for it, it becomes material when we are talking about the team and their overall output.

What would you prefer? For the players to continue to earn great salaries above our rivals while being donkeys on the pitch? Let me guess, you’re supposedly not paying their salaries so you shouldn’t care, right? Where the hell do you think all the money comes from? The fkin sky?

If you’ve spent money and your time on any team either by subscribing to the expensive sports channels or watch the team live, it is your right to hold everyone associated accountable both fiscally and in their responsibility to produce the goods. Please tell me which part of that argument is incoherent.

 

You seem to completely miss the point that this is not whether I think he's good enough to get in the team, he clearly isn't as he started eight league games last season, but the slander and trolling of one of our own players by people like you.

He's not a donkey, he just doesn't fit into Ten Hag's system. That doesn't justify his treatment in the media.

As I've said before, he's not a Sanchez or a Di Maria, or a Pogba.

I've never 'slated' Southgate by the way.

I don't rate him and i've said, correctly, that we'll never win anything with him in charge.
He's England's equivalent of Solskjaer.

But until he changes the way his team is set up, Maguire still gets into it at the moment.

You show me where Maguire has been the reason for England's failings.

 

In other news the arabs have agreed personal terms with Telles. Contract being drawn up between clubs.

It's been a good day.

 

You remain incoherent in your arguments. I'm going to point out the precise incoherence that you continue to display in an effort to defend Maguire which in my opinion is petty as his record at the club speaks for itself.

1. You just stated that you have never slated Southgate. Yet in the very same post, you are suggesting that England will never win anything with him in charge. Sure, you haven't directly called Southgate a donkey, but we can infer that from your perspective, Southgate might as well be a donkey waging his tale every time England plays.
   
   
2. The assertion of "media" mistreatment of Maguire simply does not hold up. You have simply conjured up that nonsense to validate your indefensible position that Mr. fkin Maguire, just ain't that bad a defender. But what exactly is the role of the media in the simple fact that Maguire has simply not performed well enough to justify a starting place in the team? What role did the media play in ETH starting Luke Shaw in central position with Maguire fully fit on the bench? Did the media get into Harry's head to cost us the match against Seville? I could ask you a million questions in this regard.
   
   
3. ETH's team setup has nothing to do with Maguire's incompetence. As stated before, his downward trend dates back several years which coincides with his summer of gangsterism in Greece. It messed with his head big time!

The fact is this; none of the criticisms that Maguire has faced are unwarranted. He has acted a donkey in defense not once, but several times. It's all well documented.

To be clear, I do not condone fans booing players. It is counterproductive! But for Maguire's sake, a fresh start is needed for him to rebuild his reputation as a trustworthy defender.

At this point, he moves, the team moves on, everyone wins!

 

These news are almost as good as reading about new signings. It is good for those players too to find usefulness elsewhere, even if it is in the desert with no water to drink but lots of money in the pocket.

 

Your point 1,

I also happen to think McTominay is ****, for instance. What I haven't done is jumped on board a section of support/media and joined in slagging someone off.
I offer an opinion, you join in a very personal campaign against someone.

Point 2;

it does stack up. Maguire is the victim of a social media narrative that he is somehow responsible for his transfer fee/his wages/his place in the England side ahead of A, B or C, whoever that individual personally would rather be in there.
It's not invented, it exists.

It's not without merit that he shouldn't be in the England side. The abuse is though. He's not even in the United side but the abuse is still there. From you even, amongst many more vocal others.
Maguire didn't cost us the Seville game, de Gea did. He's just not as convenient a scapegoat though. De Gea also cost us the FA Cup, but because he's not Maguire he didn't get the personal abuse.

Point 3, I never said Ten Hag's set up is because of Maguire. Maguire just doesn't fit into it.
The way Ten Hag prefers to set up does not suit Maguire, it's just how it is, and as such Maguire doesn't get into the team because Martinez, Varane, Lindelof and even Shaw all fit that system better.
There's no argument that Maguire is currently fourth choice at best, but the system itself is not because of a Maguire.

I wouldn't argue if he leaves, never have. If they put him on the list, or he asks to leave, then no worries.

I just don't believe he should be ran out of the club, he doesn't deserve any of the **** he is currently taking.

 

I appreciate you responding with your views but I disagree that this is somehow a media narrative. I, for one, don’t read into narratives by the media nor am I present on social media to take in random opinions. But I have been left to shake my head several times when I have watched Maguire. His body language says it all too that he is filled with self doubts. Thus, it can’t be the system which is somehow workable for four defenders. It must be the player’s limitations, mostly mentally if I may add.

That said, I am somewhat confident that he will come good away from the club.

 

He doesn't fit in the system, no.

He's a traditional centre half, has the play in front of him and defends at the back.

Ten Hag wants to press further up the field and he isn't comfortable, especially when turned or it's played in behind him.

He will indeed play well elsewhere, just like he does with England, in a team that doesn't play higher up the pitch. He's got Spurs written all over him, and he's better than anything they currently have.

I very much doubt Jonny Evans will be comfortable in this system by the way, so he's only a short term cover (USA tour) signing. He's welcome back though.

Amrabat will cover our back four, excellent CDM. Frees Casemeiro up from those duties as well.

 

Tell you what, for some context, the recently deceased Gordon McQueen and also Steve Bruce were traditional defenders in the Harry Maguire mould.

They played in the traditional back four way, and are both United legends. I'd guarantee they wouldn't be able to play high press football.

And nor were they ****e.

 

By April 2022, Maguire had committed 16 errors leading to opposition goal. The system has had nothing to do with the defender’s mental state to perform.

It has nothing to do with the system, Chief. We are talking about repeated silly mistakes due to lack of focus and lack of confidence when the player pulls on the shirt.

Also, if we think that it is the system, it doesn’t say much about the player either. It is a player’s job to readapt to new systems so long as they are not playing in unfamiliar positions. Heck, the best of them learn that too.

 

Pointless comparing McQueen and Bruce to Maguire ' different eras, completely different style of play. Every defender was a 'traditional´ and not many teams had even heard of high press or other modern bollocks. Maguire is a liability in our style of play, he doesn´t have a decent pass in him (in any direction) and he and De Gea were culpable for probably as much as 60% or our defensive errors leading to goals. Get rid of him to Villa or Spurs or even Bayern and he can play his own game, he's not adaptable enough, end of.

 

QED, the point.

So, not pointless.

 

@Treble Where is this Onana person that you promised?

 

Waiting to have his medical (tomorrow i believe).