I say if, because there has been no evidence whatsoever bar complete hearsay that he will be disruptive once the season starts and it's time to do the job he's paid handsomely to do.
That's why.
Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?
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I say if, because there has been no evidence whatsoever bar complete hearsay that he will be disruptive once the season starts and it's time to do the job he's paid handsomely to do.
That's why.
Sorry lads, tried to do the deal with De Jong but they wouldn't let me in.
Got to see Frenkie's mum though. There she is walking off.
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Got to see Frenkie's mum though. There she is walking off.
Fck knows why this thread's being littered with Ronaldo bullshit. Wtf is wrong with everyone?
The fcking issue is our signings and in particular that CM we've all identified as a priority.
It seems De Jong does not want to leave Barca and doesn't want to come to United. It's time for us to put up or shut up. This saga's dragged on long enough. I said weeks ago we should've set a deadline on it.
Nevertheless if we/Ten Hag really want him, offer him the £17m and see what he says. It's a piddly amount in the grand scheme of things and we WILL finally know one way or another whether he wants to come to United or not. BUT I have a feeling even if we compensate him, he still won't come to us. The loss of wages is just straw clutching on our part. I've seen his interviews and reports from journo's in Spain and he doesn't want to leave Barca or join United.
I have to say I'll be fcked off if we've pissed away another transfer window without signing a CM who can control the midfield. Seriously fcked off.
The fcking issue is our signings and in particular that CM we've all identified as a priority.
It seems De Jong does not want to leave Barca and doesn't want to come to United. It's time for us to put up or shut up. This saga's dragged on long enough. I said weeks ago we should've set a deadline on it.
Nevertheless if we/Ten Hag really want him, offer him the £17m and see what he says. It's a piddly amount in the grand scheme of things and we WILL finally know one way or another whether he wants to come to United or not. BUT I have a feeling even if we compensate him, he still won't come to us. The loss of wages is just straw clutching on our part. I've seen his interviews and reports from journo's in Spain and he doesn't want to leave Barca or join United.
I have to say I'll be fcked off if we've pissed away another transfer window without signing a CM who can control the midfield. Seriously fcked off.
The problem with this club right now is that we are late on everything. You’re also as late as the club to see indications of a problem on this Ronaldo issue. The papers today are again about Ronaldo which is yet again dragging the club into yet another disrepute. Chelsea is now definitively after De Jong. It’s almost as though we want ETH to fail before he even starts with the way the club has operated this summer.
This club clearly lacks definitive direction and sound leadership. Maybe as ETH gets into the role properly we will move from this slow decision making mess that ultimately impacts the on-field events.
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I do understand that all things being equal the manager would love to have DeJong running his midfield. But this pursuit which some of us had warned right from the outset was doomed and Chelsea are now in the box seat to get a player who has always been keen to rubbish Utd.
I need you to find me an actual quote where he's 'rubbished' United, otherwise you're talking out of your arse. Quote him, not some hack in the gossip column.
That said, I do still find it weird if we're pursuing a player who has actually said he 'doesn't want' to come to United, specifically. Very odd if we are.
Equally, the idea of Tielemans instead, for instance, is just as depressing.
come on Chief. Semantics and you know it. The guy has not said directly that Utd is rubbish. But everything is reported or said by implication by his camp. Not once did he say Utd COULD be a club he may play for. He’s always rubbished the idea of joining Utd and that I don’t need to do any deep research to get quotes.
It's not semantics though, you said exactly that. That he'd rubbished United.
Now, I've not actually seen this, which is why I asked.
Now, I've not actually seen this, which is why I asked.
You agree with some of us though that you now can’t understand why we are chasing a player who has declared umpteen times that he doesn’t want to join Utd. In most cases we would have just dropped it. But for some reason we or specifically TH still think he could play for us so we keep the chase. But if he does turn up for Chelsea then all the various speculations about ten Hag knowing something that we didn’t will evaporate. A club of Utd’s stature chasing a player who didn’t want to come in the first place.
The whole thing is not only plain farcical and humiliating but damaging to a team that will start the season in just 3 days.
I find it odd that we are still pursuing a player if he has genuinely ever said he doesn't want to come.
Doesn't ring true.
Do you accept that he and Ten Hag have worked together before, and so are likely to have a relationship of some sort?
I'm more inclined to believe that, than any tabloid or broadsheet hack. Regardless of their alleged ITK.
Doesn't ring true.
Do you accept that he and Ten Hag have worked together before, and so are likely to have a relationship of some sort?
I'm more inclined to believe that, than any tabloid or broadsheet hack. Regardless of their alleged ITK.
You keep reverting to this tiresome nonsense about tabloids. You have completely dismissed absolutely everything that was said here and in the media as though you have another source of information which no one else is privy to.
The fact is this, this pursuit of De Jong was wrong from the very beginning. Just because a player has worked with a manager before does not imply that they want to do it again. But we held onto that notion as thought it is some sort of certainly which itself is absurd. We never had first option on De Jong! We wasted time analyzing Barca’s finances and playing chess with it. Now we are desperate in an effort to save face. But that desperation was always there which many here failed to acknowledge.
I honestly can’t even comprehend De Jong signing for Chelsea. This is the most fkin insane farce ever! Mind you, if they sign him, I don’t think it is the end of the world for us nor will it make Chelsea the world beater.
But I will say this again… Insane fixation on a player is not the way forward. It more than often ends in failure or worse underwhelming performances when such player eventually joins.
There must always be a Plan B!! If plan A shows any indication that it is going to get protracted, move onto plan B. The power is truly in saying “FU” to the selling party that wants to make a mockery of the buyer. This farce is not the way for us to start the new season.
…Then there is that spoilt brat CR!
It's twats like you give United's actual supporters a bad name.
Would probably boo Maguire in a friendly on another continent, while pretending to be a 'fan'.
Mate.
Anyway - 13th August is the deadline day for Spanish clubs to register players with La Liga in order for them to be eligible to play in the 22/23 season. No doubt as the week progresses there will be movement one way or another on de Jong
This is how I see the situation because there's a lot being mixed up on here and sounds confused imo.
1) De Jong doesn't want to leave Barca. He's actually said he's flattered by the interest shown by United but he's already at the biggest club in the world and it's his dream club.
2) This is supported by the fact he's recently bought a house there.
3) The £17m is a red herring. Even if that was paid I think it's him who doesn't want to leave.
4) All of the above suggests the Chelsea approach is immaterial. If he doesn't want to leave Barca and isn't attracted by United or the PL, he's not going to CFC either. The news that Chelsea could get a deal done is meaningless, because United also got a deal done with Barca, but ultimately it's the player who's deciding this.
4) If by some chance he does agree to go to CFC it'll be because of the CL (and I suspect because CFC will pay him the £17m in lost wages which I still maintain we should do IF ETH wants him that badly)
But all of this is not the issue. The real issue is that we haven't filled a key position/role in the heart of our midfield which everyone and his wife identified as pivotal to our progression. And it's piss poor if that ends up being as a result of putting all our eggs in one basket. I just hope we don't end up signing Fellaini on deadline day to make up for it.
1) De Jong doesn't want to leave Barca. He's actually said he's flattered by the interest shown by United but he's already at the biggest club in the world and it's his dream club.
2) This is supported by the fact he's recently bought a house there.
3) The £17m is a red herring. Even if that was paid I think it's him who doesn't want to leave.
4) All of the above suggests the Chelsea approach is immaterial. If he doesn't want to leave Barca and isn't attracted by United or the PL, he's not going to CFC either. The news that Chelsea could get a deal done is meaningless, because United also got a deal done with Barca, but ultimately it's the player who's deciding this.
4) If by some chance he does agree to go to CFC it'll be because of the CL (and I suspect because CFC will pay him the £17m in lost wages which I still maintain we should do IF ETH wants him that badly)
But all of this is not the issue. The real issue is that we haven't filled a key position/role in the heart of our midfield which everyone and his wife identified as pivotal to our progression. And it's piss poor if that ends up being as a result of putting all our eggs in one basket. I just hope we don't end up signing Fellaini on deadline day to make up for it.
We'll have to wait and see, but EtH strikes me as the type of man who would chase a player unless he was being given positive encouragement by the player himself, he also strikes me a the man who has a plan B firmly in place.
The stuff about de Jong buying a house is just noise - why would he not, he has to live somewhere, In any event, Barcelona is an international property hot spot, if he's bought somewhere then he's not lost money on it I can guarantee you that. Messi still has his house there..................
Chelsea are sniffing at the deal because they Barca want to buy Alonso and Azpilicueta so they are offering a two for one player swap which suits Barca because it doesn't involve a cash outlay - but the fact remains that Barca owe de Jong £17m in deferred wages that was due to be repaid to him 22/23 under the terms of the contract he signed. If he leaves, the club won't pay, they will argue that the payment was due only if he stayed for 22/23 and by leaving he voided the contract. Even in these days of obscene wages, to a young player like de Jong that's still big bucks.
And it's not just de Jong, some of the other players they want to move on are being shown the door for that exact same reason. Barcs are an extremely powerful club in Spain, they carry enormous clout politically inside and outside the game. People forget that they have saddled themselves with a scheme to build a roof over the stadium at a cost of €1.3 billion - the contracts are signed - this for a club that doesn't have any money.
The stuff about de Jong buying a house is just noise - why would he not, he has to live somewhere, In any event, Barcelona is an international property hot spot, if he's bought somewhere then he's not lost money on it I can guarantee you that. Messi still has his house there..................
Chelsea are sniffing at the deal because they Barca want to buy Alonso and Azpilicueta so they are offering a two for one player swap which suits Barca because it doesn't involve a cash outlay - but the fact remains that Barca owe de Jong £17m in deferred wages that was due to be repaid to him 22/23 under the terms of the contract he signed. If he leaves, the club won't pay, they will argue that the payment was due only if he stayed for 22/23 and by leaving he voided the contract. Even in these days of obscene wages, to a young player like de Jong that's still big bucks.
And it's not just de Jong, some of the other players they want to move on are being shown the door for that exact same reason. Barcs are an extremely powerful club in Spain, they carry enormous clout politically inside and outside the game. People forget that they have saddled themselves with a scheme to build a roof over the stadium at a cost of €1.3 billion - the contracts are signed - this for a club that doesn't have any money.
The £17m is an easy problem to resolve if this was the stumbling block for any club serously wanting to buy him.
Ignoring all the conjecture, the facts are the clubs have agreed a price and the player has clearly stated he doesn't want to leave Barca or join United with no mention of his wages.
I've watched him in press conferences and he's made it crystal clear. He's happy at his dream club, what he says is the biggest club in the world, and he loves the city. The end.
Ignoring all the conjecture, the facts are the clubs have agreed a price and the player has clearly stated he doesn't want to leave Barca or join United with no mention of his wages.
I've watched him in press conferences and he's made it crystal clear. He's happy at his dream club, what he says is the biggest club in the world, and he loves the city. The end.
Maybe so, but they want him out the door regardless of his wishes.
Chelsea and de Jong is a smokescreen, they want Aubameyang in return for Alonso and Azpilicueta