Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

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In case anyone's missed it, I'm looking forward to the new manager coming in and the new set up to support him. :D

I'll leave the negativity and constantly looking backward to others.
 
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What is this infatuation with getting Top 4?

Everyone knows that was the target the board set Ole every season? Achieved fck all in the end.

I think initially we need a team, a squad, a style of football that looks good, that the players believe in, that builds confidence and shows we're heading in the right direction.
 
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cytrax said:
Like he regrouped Tottenham to grab second place?
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Like he regrouped Spurs from mid table to at worst 5th. But we were in much better rank than spurs and no surprise to anyoneifhehad got us fourth or even 3rd with Chelsea stumbling in the finishing straight.
 
Must admit, it will be criminal if we end up in the europa conference but otherwise the europa league is the perfect platform to start the rebuild.

Said it myself weeks back, has been repeated by others also, and only those blind to the patently obvious are still papping on about 'failure' to get into the champions league.

What good would entering the champions league actually do to a squad which will have been decimated and is right back at the start of a rebuild? We'd have probably failed to get out of the group and we'd end up in Europa league anyway. Might as well start the season in it, and plan accordingly, getting used to when the fixtures are right from the start.

It's then a competition we should aim to actually win. We'd have had no chance of that optimism going into the champions league.

People who are already starting to question and grumble about the new manager need to realise it's they who are the problem. Paying attention to the utter ****ing ****e spouted on social media and in the actual media.

We should be viewing this clean slate rebuild with genuine enthusiasm.
 
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Treble said:
I wonder how many Scottish managers have done well in the PL? Oh yeh... Fergie.

Imagine not hiring him because of the football in Scotland. Go figure.


I wonder how many German managers had done well in the PL before Klopp? Oh yeh... none.

Imagine not hiring him because of the lack of competition in Germany. Go figure.
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Feel obliged to point out Fergie joined you prior to PL and since you were in Div 1 there was a plethora of very successful Scottish managers to use as a precedent - in fact didn't you have one <whistle>
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
Feel obliged to point out Fergie joined you prior to PL and since you were in Div 1 there was a plethora of very successful Scottish managers to use as a precedent - in fact didn't you have one <whistle>
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So, your point is that nationality of a manager is a precursor to success?

Which brings me to this point:
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People who are already starting to question and grumble about the new manager need to realise it's they who are the problem. Paying attention to the utter ****ing ****e spouted on social media and in the actual media.

We should be viewing this clean slate rebuild with genuine enthusiasm.
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I really don’t understand the negativity before a ball is kicked. It is utterly illogical. The reason why Ten Hag is coming in is because he has a process that has been vetted. He knows how to build teams that are not only competitive in their league, but in Champions League as well for extra measure.

And the story of the “no name” guy that refused to be ETH’s number two only to take PSV job… what fkin moron would even think that is rejection of Manchester United as a club? And not see it for the fact that the man wanted to be close to his grand children and take the easier route of a local job? What else is there to story?

But so much trash is being written and spoken I often feel like we’ve been relegated two divisions down. What better time for a new manager to come in with a new and modern football approach?
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
Feel obliged to point out Fergie joined you prior to PL and since you were in Div 1 there was a plethora of very successful Scottish managers to use as a precedent - in fact didn't you have one <whistle>
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Feel free to tell me where I said otherwise. The point was someone saying that dutch managers rarely do well in the Premier League. Fergie's the only Scot who has, but had he not been at United then should we not have hired him because there had been no successful Scots in the PL, was the point.
 
Treble said:
Feel free to tell me where I said otherwise. The point was someone saying that dutch managers rarely do well in the Premier League. Fergie's the only Scot who has, but had he not been at United then should we not have hired him because there had been no successful Scots in the PL, was the point.
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I wonder how many Scottish managers have done well in the PL? Oh yeh... Fergie.

Imagine not hiring him because of the football in Scotland. Go figure.

next time you need to be more explicit in your points or else you end up with these excuses misunderstandings :bandit:
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
I wonder how many Scottish managers have done well in the PL? Oh yeh... Fergie.

Imagine not hiring him because of the football in Scotland. Go figure.

next time you need to be more explicit in your points or else you end up with these excuses misunderstandings :bandit:
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Looking at it another way... <whistle>

Saying that you shouldn't hire a dutch manager for the PL cos there's only been one good dutch manager and the rest have been **** is like saying you should do the same for Scottish managers or German ones... but that wouldn't have bode well for Chelsea as they'd be one european cup worse off.

All that really matters is how good the bloke is in his own right. And I genuinely believe that for a manager to perform well for a big club it's best he's come from outside the PL, and that usually means another country. You can put that to the test with every big club and the success they've had.
 
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glazerfodder said:
George Graham
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Wasn't the premier league though, which I'm fairly sure is the point Trebs was attempting to make and has been so misunderstood.

Otherwise, forget George Graham, how about Matt Busby? Or Bill Shankly?

George Graham wasn't employed 'from Scotland' either. He was already over here.

Neither were Busby and Shankly though for that matter.
 
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Forget about the nationalities of managers or their skills and experience. This is a red herring. It has all been about the culture and the expectations which very often have been dissociated from the former. Until we get the players recruitment, their rewards and everything else including coaching and discipline right, we can forget about being a consistent success even with a good manager.
 
Christiansmith said:
Forget about the nationalities of managers or their skills and experience. This is a red herring. It has all been about the culture and the expectations which very often have been dissociated from the former. Until we get the players recruitment, their rewards and everything else including coaching and discipline right, we can forget about being a consistent success even with a good manager.
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I think the signs are that we are coming to that. Off field changes made this season will serve the club well.
 
Anyone see the youth Cup final by the way?

Nearly 70 thousand. At a youth game.

This tells you we're going ****ing nowhere, don't believe the hype.

Add some of those to the squad, get rid of the ones we've already discussed and I can't be arsed to mention again, and add four or so new players who Ten Hag wants.

Then let them get on with it.

Regardless of what the British press, radio, television and every moron on social media prepared to post some cretinous meme or something would have you believe, it's not as bad as they'd like to make out. Or have you believe.

The stadium isn't falling down. We don't need a cheese room or fast filling pint glasses. The training facilities are fine, it's grass for **** sake, it doesn't need a special women's stadium, and there is a decent core of very good players who just need some correct coaching and direction. Which they've not had for over three years.

And we don't need dancing ****s.
 
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