Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

In other news, some bloke no one has heard of has turned down the opportunity to be an assistant coach at United because the job looks too hard.

We know this because he told a reporter.

Devastating.

 

No, that's bollocks - you are hell bent on twisting events during this season to suit your own narrative. Are you honestly trying to say that Ten Hag hasn't been able to observe and assess the squad for himself and has had to rely on ****er Rangnick's judgement of our players. You are deluded, Ten Hag didn't need a division two coach to tell him what is what at is wrong at OT - in fact, if he pays any attention to anything Rangnick says he might as well give up and go home now

 

Some of you just don't see what's in front of you

Do you really think we brought a man in who is not a manager and never will be for ****s and giggles?
Rangnick is a very well respected man in football and was brought in precisely to do the job you are laughing at others for mentioning. Ten Haag has been slightly busy trying to win the Dutch league with Ajax but has no doubt watched us play many times since being offered the job along with other teams who's players he might like to bring in. What Ralf will be able to advise/inform him about is the mentality of those in the dressing room, those who will do their best to follow instructions, those who think they are too good to do so and those who are disruptive in little groups.
It will then be up to Ten Haag do decide if he want's to try and change players attitude or just get rid and get players with the right attitude in.
Ole gets mentioned a lot in these discussions, he too fell foul of the ****e in the dressing room and general ****e in the club as a whole not all his fault because he had no backing from Woodward and was simply a figurehead who took the flack. He was never really good enough but nt as bad as he was made to be.

 

Diego, let’s assume that the aims and objectives of Rangnick’s appointment are as you say. There is something fundamentally flawed in that process. It is that players react differently to different managers and their behaviours reflect the respect or admiration or fear they have for that manager. So Rangnick’s views on the players, their mentality, who are following instructions, and who are rebelling are based not only on his own subjective assessment but also on how players react to HIM as a man manager. As you say, he is no manager. So is it possible probable even that the negative behaviour of some players (some of course will always be ****) is because their manager is so poor and they can’t really be bothered to follow his instructions? Otherwise how do you explain the absolute depths this team has sunk to? Conte managed to revive his team with the same players as the previous manager.

It’s like a supply teacher assessing students behaviour in a Maths class when he himself has very poor teaching skills and can hardly impart any maths knowledge to the students. How is this credible or even fair?

 

Players get very well paid and have a duty to the club (and supporters) to do their best at all times.
If the manager gives **** instructions and they follow them with all their ability and effort but still fail then so be it. If they never even try how do they know the instructions are bad.

 

Of course players are professionals. But my point is that players are also human. They react differently to different personalities. Rangnick is so poor as a manager that he would have difficulty in getting players to follow the SAME instructions that would readily be accepted from a top manager like Pep G for example. How do you know they’ve not tried his instructions in the early days? The performances in the first matches were reasonable.

 

Then why did they stop?
Pointless keep going over this, it's happened and now we wait to see the results next season.

 

because they lost all respect for him as a manager. He speaks a lot and throws everyone under the bus. Players were at fault sure but he bears a lot of the responsibility too.

You are right. Let’s put the Rangnick sad mistake behind us and support Ten Haag and hope he can lift the team. We surely cannot drop any lower can we?

 

Well i was there on the day the King dumped us into Div2 so unfortunately, yes we can

 

I was around too. Sad but there was less inequality between clubs in those days. Utd finishing 7th or lower nowadays and out of Europe would be the modern equivalent.

 

Have to say this is the first time since Fergie left that I'm genuinely excited by the changes ahead. It feels like a break from the past 9 years combining new infrastructure and manager.

I'm really surprised ppl aren't focused on looking forward to it tbh.

 

The thing I’m looking forward most is Pogba leaving. Ultimately the worst and costliest mistake by this club in ages. Instead of being the leader and catalyst, he’s proved the disruptor with an element of uncertainty about his commitment to the club from day 1.

 

Everything about Utd is news. Any player or manager or coach who’s anyone and on the market is a Utd target. And any high cost transfer to another club is a blow to Utd. This is how agents earn their corn.

 

Thank goodness that's been made clear. So we hired Rangnick to completely **** up an already ****ed up side and in the process shatter the morale in the dressing room into a thousand pieces so that the incoming manager can completely ignore has-never-been Rangnick (hence the Austria job) and set about a rebuild. Makes perfect sense.

 

I’m actually happy that he throws all of them under the bus at every opportunity. I’m also happy that we didn’t bring in a manager like Conte that may have achieved a level of success but I don’t think he would have done more without new signings in January to introduce new blood to the squad. The result would have marginally been the same as we are in because of the already broken culture. Heck, Conte would have probably walked.

A purge is essentially what is needed at this point in time and hitting rock bottom is crucial in taking that step which means the board must now fully support a manager that knows how to truly rebuild a squad.

My main hope is for ETH to start his tenure with blend of new players from our youth system and couple of new signings. Hopefully he has a good enough handle on which youth players to introduce into this new era. It will be satisfying if we can achieve that mix and steer clear of signing “super stars”.

 

You can’t know what Conte could have achieved with our squad even without new blood. My feeling is that we definitely would have regrouped and got 4th or even 3rd.

Let’s hope anyway that the heavy price under Rangnick was worth paying in terms of a new start under ETH.

I like some here can’t help thinking that we didn’t need to destroy the team spirit to achieve that. We could have identified the players we wanted to get rid of and the ones we wanted to keep without sinking to the depths we have. Did we have to employ the worst “manager” (he’s not even a proper one) as an interim to achieve these objectives? My feeling is that we didn’t. But anyway this humiliating episode is nearly over. Lets now look forward to a new season. Hope springs eternal.

 

That's all well and good if ETH can trust Rangnick's judgement, personally I wouldn't trust him to go buy a tube of Polo mints. Ten Hag is his own man, he isn't going to base his tenure on the recommendation of some nobody.

 

Don't get your hopes up, he'll not be given the time needed and he had nothing to do with building Ajax's infrastructure, that was in place before he was even born. Looking forwards to it personally, Dutch manager's always have an over-inflated view of themselves and rarely succeed in the EPL, Hiddink is the only one I remember doing well, but that was for 3 months and with a world-class squad.
That's the other characteristic of dutch managers, they don't stay very long.

 

So like United then, who also have a new infrastructure already in place

It's about combining both and having the same football ethos and aims. Exactly the same as Ajax but with greater resources.

 

I wonder how many Scottish managers have done well in the PL? Oh yeh... Fergie.

Imagine not hiring him because of the football in Scotland. Go figure.


I wonder how many German managers had done well in the PL before Klopp? Oh yeh... none.

Imagine not hiring him because of the lack of competition in Germany. Go figure.