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LeicesterWizard said:
My point being that they will have learned from that mistake.

CR may bring a few in, but there's alot less work to do in the transfer market because Pearson and co have built a good squad. I wouldnt be surprised if he only bought in 3 more (including Cambiasso).
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I wish I could agree with you but I fear they've made EXACTLY the same mistake, because it's the same thinking behind this decision (an experienced overseas manager to move us on to the "next level"). As others have said and I hinted at yesterday, I expect the house that Pearson built will be decimated. For better or worse, I think we'll look like a different club by the end of January, if not the end of August.
 
Jesus.....thank god when the actual football starts in a few weeks hopefully it will put a few smiles on the faces of some of you.
We really do have a lot to look forward as a Leicester City fan, always remember, it could be worse....could be a Hull fan!! eeeeeeesh!!
Cheer up ladies.
 
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Lesta Gangsta said:
I wish I could agree with you but I fear they've made EXACTLY the same mistake, because it's the same thinking behind this decision (an experienced overseas manager to move us on to the "next level"). As others have said and I hinted at yesterday, I expect the house that Pearson built will be decimated. For better or worse, I think we'll look like a different club by the end of January, if not the end of August.
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... never mind I'm sure HBO will make TV series of it ... perhaps like Game Of Thrones ... wonder if Nigel will be a consultant? ... suspect he might be able to suggest a few out of work extras for the orgy scenes <laugh>
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
I wish I could agree with you but I fear they've made EXACTLY the same mistake, because it's the same thinking behind this decision (an experienced overseas manager to move us on to the "next level"). As others have said and I hinted at yesterday, I expect the house that Pearson built will be decimated. For better or worse, I think we'll look like a different club by the end of January, if not the end of August.
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Was going to happen regardless - this squad wasn't cut out for the Premier league for a long time last season.

One thing I do find interesting is that aside from Vardy and Ulloa, none of our player are linked with anywhere else other then one off rumours.
 
BigFox said:
Was going to happen regardless - this squad wasn't cut out for the Premier league for a long time last season.

One thing I do find interesting is that aside from Vardy and Ulloa, none of our player are linked with anywhere else other then one off rumours.
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What, the squad that finished 14th in the Premier League wasn't cut out for the Premier League?! Now I have to question your logic! I know we added Huth, but him aside no other January additions made much of an impact.

Schlupp has been linked with other clubs. Wouldn't be surprised if Mahrez is to before it's all said and done. In fairness, we're a club with money in the Premier League. There aren't too many better places to be at he moment, and any potential suitors will know that - it's going to cost a pretty penny to take some of our better assets.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
What, the squad that finished 14th in the Premier League wasn't cut out for the Premier League?! Now I have to question your logic! I know we added Huth, but him aside no other January additions made much of an impact.

Schlupp has been linked with other clubs. Wouldn't be surprised if Mahrez is to before it's all said and done. In fairness, we're a club with money in the Premier League. There aren't too many better places to be at he moment, and any potential suitors will know that - it's going to cost a pretty penny to take some of our better assets.
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We were bottom 1/2 of the season with a 13 game winless run - no matter how strongly we finished the season, that is a fact.

Also remember that 14th place was 6 points from the relegation zone and was bolstered with QPR giving up on the last game. Don't forget we also were helped by Newcastle and Sunderland imploding.

Huth's arrival was a major factor as it sparked the revival once he got match fit and we finally settled on a formation.
 
BigFox said:
We were bottom 1/2 of the season with a 13 game winless run - no matter how strongly we finished the season, that is a fact.

Also remember that 14th place was 6 points from the relegation zone and was bolstered with QPR giving up on the last game. Don't forget we also were helped by Newcastle and Sunderland imploding.

Huth's arrival was a major factor as it sparked the revival once he got match fit and we finally settled on a formation.
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It's also a fact that the same (with the addition of Huth) players took us to 14th after 38 games. It's also a fact that being in the bottom three for most of the season has no bearing on which league you play in next season if you're not their after 38 games. And IMO, Sunderland didn't implode. They survived with a very respectable draw away at Arsenal and only lost to Palace and Chelsea (after they were already safe) in the last two months.

Anyway, getting back to my original point, I'm not really talking about continued strengthening, which is obviously a good thing, I'm talking about a complete and unnecessary upheaval of playing style, approach, attitude and development. As it stands, it's looking likely that Walsh and Shakey will be staying, which really is great news, but should they go, I expect things will change drastically. But one thing is for sure, I can't see Ranieri building a blueprint for the future, not, at least, one he expects to execute himself.

Perhaps it's in fact the owners, who have seen how Pearson operated, that are now the pulling the strings and Ranieri is merely a "yes man". Obviously Okazaki is 100% their signing, as was Yuki Abe, so they are obviously once again getting "involved" (pretty sure Pearson had a hands-off type of agreement). This could be better for the club in some ways, but they are still the same owners that allowed Sven to run riot with his list of has-been and never-will-bes. I'm convinced the restraint we had under Pearson was 100% him, and that is now gone. Ranieri hasn't ran straight out to get his first signing, but I'm sure it's not far off. It will be interesting to see how many players come in before August 31st - and in which positions.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
It's also a fact that the same (with the addition of Huth) players took us to 14th after 38 games. It's also a fact that being in the bottom three for most of the season has no bearing on which league you play in next season if you're not their after 38 games. And IMO, Sunderland didn't implode. They survived with a very respectable draw away at Arsenal and only lost to Palace and Chelsea (after they were already safe) in the last two months.

Anyway, getting back to my original point, I'm not really talking about continued strengthening, which is obviously a good thing, I'm talking about a complete and unnecessary upheaval of playing style, approach, attitude and development. As it stands, it's looking likely that Walsh and Shakey will be staying, which really is great news, but should they go, I expect things will change drastically. But one thing is for sure, I can't see Ranieri building a blueprint for the future, not, at least, one he expects to execute himself.

Perhaps it's in fact the owners, who have seen how Pearson operated, that are now the pulling the strings and Ranieri is merely a "yes man". Obviously Okazaki is 100% their signing, as was Yuki Abe, so they are obviously once again getting "involved" (pretty sure Pearson had a hands-off type of agreement). This could be better for the club in some ways, but they are still the same owners that allowed Sven to run riot with his list of has-been and never-will-bes. I'm convinced the restraint we had under Pearson was 100% him, and that is now gone. Ranieri hasn't ran straight out to get his first signing, but I'm sure it's not far off. It will be interesting to see how many players come in before August 31st - and in which positions.
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NP is a yes man - we have a continental board with our Director of Football Jon Rudkin making all of the signings with input from Head of Recruitment Steve Walsh and Head Scout David Mills.

Note that both NP and CR job titles are First Team Coach rather then manager and I bet they don't have any real say in transfers aside from asking for players in positions and admitting preferences.

That our owners have openly said they want to raise the profile of the club with big signings could see more bigger name players coming in - I wouldn't complain if they were introduced like Krameric and not forced into the team before they were ready.

I am really glad that it looks like our first priority is strengthening the team from the players we are linked with ATM.

Yuke Abe was a good signing - pity he couldn't settle here in the UK as he did the job as a DM.

Also I was referring to Sunderland before Advocaat steadied the ship who I remember mentioning when people wanted NP out last season...
 
BigFox said:
We were bottom 1/2 of the season with a 13 game winless run - no matter how strongly we finished the season, that is a fact.

Also remember that 14th place was 6 points from the relegation zone and was bolstered with QPR giving up on the last game. Don't forget we also were helped by Newcastle and Sunderland imploding.

Huth's arrival was a major factor as it sparked the revival once he got match fit and we finally settled on a formation.
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It's where you finish after your last game that matters and if your not in the bottom 3 then your obviously good enough and know you have work to do to get better. but you were not relegated so your good enough for premier league.....
 
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BigFox said:
NP is a yes man - we have a continental board with our Director of Football Jon Rudkin making all of the signings with input from Head of Recruitment Steve Walsh and Head Scout David Mills.

Note that both NP and CR job titles are First Team Coach rather then manager and I bet they don't have any real say in transfers aside from asking for players in positions and admitting preferences.

That our owners have openly said they want to raise the profile of the club with big signings could see more bigger name players coming in - I wouldn't complain if they were introduced like Krameric and not forced into the team before they were ready.

I am really glad that it looks like our first priority is strengthening the team from the players we are linked with ATM.

Yuke Abe was a good signing - pity he couldn't settle here in the UK as he did the job as a DM.

Also I was referring to Sunderland before Advocaat steadied the ship who I remember mentioning when people wanted NP out last season...
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Can't say I shed any tears when Abe left.

I don't believe for a second Nigel Pearson has it within him to be a yes man. Sven yes, Ranieri yes, Pearson definitely not. Pretty sure I remember him on RL saying one of the reasons he came back was because he was promised full control of the squad. I believe that most of signings are typical Pearson type players - except maybe Cambiasso, who I'm sure he wouldn't say no to even if the owners did sign him!

One other point of note, as we saw with QPR, big name signings are not necessarily good signings.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
Can't say I shed any tears when Abe left.

I don't believe for a second Nigel Pearson has it within him to be a yes man. Sven yes, Ranieri yes, Pearson definitely not. Pretty sure I remember him on RL saying one of the reasons he came back was because he was promised full control of the squad. I believe that most of signings are typical Pearson type players - except maybe Cambiasso, who I'm sure he wouldn't say no to even if the owners did sign him!

One other point of note, as we saw with QPR, big name signings are not necessarily good signings.
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... what is your basis for saying that Ranieri is a 'yes' man?
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
I'm not. I'm saying I believe he has it in him to be a yes man.
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OK ... by contrast I think he is more than capable of standing his ground and sticking to his principles ... couldn't have been easy managing under Abramovic's presence but it seems to me that he stuck to his principles and dealt with the situation (Mourinho's imminent appointment) with dignity and a degree of gallows humour (referring to himself as 'dead man walking') throughout ... the club has stated he is the man to 'lead' us to the next level ... let's hope he does...
 
The manager should always have a good relationship with his chairman and vice versa. That wont mean the manager is a yes man at all and will mean they are on the same wave length where the two most important people at the club can have frank discussions on what is best for the club. When a chairman interferes to much with first team activities and dont consult the manager it will lead to an unstable club, A well run club where everyone works in harmony will be the club that will do well....It is not about a yes man or no man....
 
MoultonFox said:
All I can see is we have replaced NP (No Problems) with CR (Certain Relegation)
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No Problems? Do you have memory loss of the past year and forgotten the 1/2 season bottom placed, the swearing at fans, the attacking of opposition players, the couple of hours sacking, the dickhead attitude towards the media and the defending of whoremongering racists?

Also please tell me your reasons why we will get certainly relegated and how you can justify writing us off before the season has even started and CR only being a week into the job?

Now Pearson isn't here - I don't care about him. Now Raneiri is here I care about him. I am not a Pearson fan, nor am I a Raneiri fan - I support Leicester and will support them to the end and keep the faith.
 
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