LEAVE OR REMAIN
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Whilst I am personally very angry with David Cameron for gambling away my family's future to try - and fail - save his own political career, he is actually the acceptable face of Conservatism. If Boris Johnson is our next PM I'll be applying for citizenship of Mars.
But they do. They think immigration is to blame for everything - they think immigration is controlled by the EU - they think we have to leave the EU.
Not saying you do, but there is a scary amount of people in our country who want us to close our borders full stop. This vote embodies that.
And its wrong. (in my opinion of course)
Even if some people want to stop the borders full stop (and I don't know any of them) that is not what any party is saying. It is all skills and points. Not many people in the whole country mind skills being filled but they don't like employers getting rid of them to replace with someone cheaper.
If we have skills shortages then it makes sense to let immigrants fill the gaps but it only makes financial sense to replace British unskilled workers with cheaper and more obeyant migrant workers. When that happens it becomes more than just about economy or $$$ or immigrants. People will always fight for jobs. It is always what wins elections. If you offer jobs you will always win elections. Anything else is secondary to most people. Jobs do not just give you money they give you pride and a sense of providing for your family. A weekly income into your bank account from the government gives you no pride at all.
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IN the short term quite probably but people have been fighting for a decade and will see this as a short term thing. In a few years with normal turnover normal people will be able to get jobs in low skilled jobs again and that is why they felt they could not let it go on any further.
You keep banging on about fighting for jobs. You don't seem to have grasped the impact this vote is about to have on an already precarious economy. Those long hours with low pay you talk about aren't about to be replaced by secure well paid jobs with decent conditions. Where will those jobs come from? You just voted to **** the economy.
They aren't to blame. Unless its the wife whose put the knifes and forks in the wrong draw then she is to blame.
The government and EU policy is to blame. The EU and the government haven't listened. People have gone through 3 elections since the initial cull of jobs and no-one listened. The EU just happily and cheerily smiled and said tuff luck. No one listened. This could not go on forever for people who used to do these jobs. They are not engineers or It techy types. They are people with no skills that work hours doing hard work getting a low wage and they can't get those jobs anymore.
I have no question that the extreme right in each country will want out immediately. I doubt there'll be a rush to the door.
But the primary reason for the cull of jobs is not the EU. It's the austerity program followed by the current governing party which led to economic contraction. And economic contraction, like the one you're very likely to see as a result of departing the EU, is the thing that harms those people with no skills doing hard work, not immigrants.
To see Nigel Farage celebrating and making a speech with horrible undertones, and then watching the devastation in the faces of great people like Caroline Lucas, is the worst part.
If the government of Blair then Brown the Cameron had listened instead of saying "meh" they would not have had to had yesterday's vote.
Nonsense.
If you don't want to feel like you are on the dole, go dig a hole, and then fill it in. Then dig it again. Don't accept an unemployment check until you've done that five times. Now you've got a "job" as a "dirt mover." Happy?
Or you could just take the check and not waste your time. Pretty sure I know what the majority would prefer.
She knows it. Why do Labour not understand it? Why do Labour talk about this as Tory voters and Tory splits? It is the labour voter and Labour's obliviousness to their core voter's opinion that has lost this. Not just now but from the previous Labour government through to the present day.
As the conclusion of a morality play about How The Elites Don't Get It, it's a massive success. As a real world political and economic decision, it might well be a very different scenario.
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