LEAVE OR REMAIN

I strongly object to people sneering at the common man (and woman of course). And what is information...there are arguments for both sides and in a democracy we allow people the right to decide and also to be wrong. I hate the idea of the so-called intelligentsia that those who have different opinions from them and who can't formulate coherent arguments in a debating situation are unworthy of an opinion. I am constantly amazed that people who profess to be standing up for ordinary working class people despise them so much. The average British person is honest, fair, hard-working and aspirational for their children....I know because I am surrounded by them. That is why I said if the decision is to stay (even though I would rather leave) I will accept it.

 

Want to give your Country away to Goldman Sachs and the Bilderberg Group? Vote remain.

 

remain win?
DC is congratulated on his victory by Merkle
Now what about those reforms we descussed Mrs merkle?
Well you've just had a referendum and your staying in Great!
Now this is what we are going to do whether you like it or not.
You can't do that ?
So what are you going to do - have another referendum?

 

I on the other hand voted leave, for morality economy, stability and decency.

 

I like the fact your half way 2understanding the beauty of this planet we work and die on these days brother........but you must also try understanding that they own both sides of this so called referendum .......we have no choice....simples

this is how it works, with some humour in the mix

 

Steve Hilton, someone Dave has certainly unfriended on Facebook, said this about trends in politics. It of course was on an American program about American politics but it is representative of what is happening around the world:

"We live in a world that is run by bankers and bureaucrats and accountants, people just like Mitt Romney. Those people, regardless of who’s been in power, for the last few decades, have been pushing an agenda, an ideological agenda that favours big businesses over small, that champions globalisation and open immigration, whatever the cost of that and has been pretty inhuman and callous about the impact of that approach to government on the real lives of working people and basically I think people are sick it. They’re sick and tired of that. They’re sick and tired of being told to suck it up and deal with it because that is the world we live in. And that is what is driving support for Trump and, on the left, for Bernie Sanders."

 

It's like voting to give Southampton FC away to Pompey. I thought a lot of jobs were lost in the area when the EU moved the Ford plant to Turkey .......... and people are actually voting for more of the same?

Incidentally George Osbourne had a big finger in that particular pie. No wonder he want you all to vote remain.

 

George Osborne has more than a big finger in the pie. HE was on the board that approved that £80m loan to Ford Turkey knowing full well what the likely consequence was.

The reality of what is happening within the EU is that the EU loan money to the countries that want to join helping them to get closer to ticking off the requirements.

So George while on the board approved a loan that would help Turkey get closer to EU qualification. A loan that would lose jobs in Britain. There are vast numbers of these types of loans to companies that are outside of the EU to take work from countries within the EU.

By the way, EU talks on Turkey's accession plan start again on 30th June. Obviously making plans for the year 3000

 

Someone at my work used to work for the Ford factory that was shut down, the plant over here was tanking money and the operation was so poor over that people took it in turns to go and sleep in a small cupboard through their shifts - not because they were tired but bored. The Turkish plant is very profitable and the money is being used to expand the operation.

Not to mention Ford is not a British company, so why do people think we would have the power to prevent moves such as this if we were to leave?

Also worth noting that the land used for the Ford factory is really sought after and could easily create 1000+ new jobs if it goes to the right people.

 

This seems to have turned into the Politics thread.

 

what can I say 2that hey>>>>fk all

 

Well, why don't you use proper English rather than "text type". That way you may be taken more seriously.

 

ford doesn't want workers having rights look at the jobs lost after the women went on strike >>>>>>>so they up sticks in search for cheaper slaves for its higher profits(share holders needs innit).....they may come back pretty soon now that the capitalist have eroded our rights we build over the last hundred years mind

 

im not versed in proper English brother so excuse me and try use that more intelligent brain you claim 2 brake a simple fking code of phone txt

 

Ronald, you can't vote mate.

 

But why if we are this great block united together is our C of E agreeing to loans to take jobs outside of the EU? Why did the EU not loan the money to Lithuania or Latvia? Places that need jobs? Places that are losing their talent to richer countries because they have no jobs? Why do these loans go to non EU countries taking the jobs out of Europe?

 

Sadly, this about echoes my feelings on the current state of affairs. But a vote to leave the EU, in my opinion, won't sort out the fundamental issue of the elite's robbing us all blind and laughing their way to the bank.
As DTLW said about the immigration issue, I feel like people are targeting the symptoms and not the cause when they vote to leave. If we stay in, I have hope that we can still make a difference.

 

its just a ride

 

Remain for me as I value the importance of being able to cross any border within the EU without any hassle. I hope at some stage in the future we will join the euro once things settle down. As it is we are ripped off to exchange sterling to euro and vice versa. That should cease immediately