Tut, tut Eldon, that's a conspiracy theory
Sorry
I meant its Dexter you have to impress
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Sorry
I meant its Dexter you have to impress
Sorry
I meant its Dexter you have to impress
That's two theories in one night
And there's me thinking you boys didn't like the truth
I have a 24 inch penis. Prove me wrong.
Just because you say something doesn't make it right. I have given you a link to a Government Department which will reveal the truth. It's up to you if you want to pursue it.
I think it's fair to say that ground capacity is not that critical in this day and age of TV revenue!.......................
PS: That wasn't a very nice welcome you gave out team coach, how childish of you, some things never change!................
PS: That wasn't a very nice welcome you gave out team coach, how childish of you, some things never change!................
I think it's fair to say that ground capacity is not that critical in this day and age of TV revenue!.......................
PS: That wasn't a very nice welcome you gave out team coach, how childish of you, some things never change!...
Like Swans PLAYERS with silly flags and silly actions, mind you I thought the bald one was showing that they were out of their depth.
Quite right Dai - his dogpaddle was rubbish. Can you play the marrackahs by any chance?
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I think it's fair to say that ground capacity is not that critical in this day and age of TV revenue!.......................
PS: That wasn't a very nice welcome you gave out team coach, how childish of you, some things never change!................
Funny how Liverpool, Spurs, West Ham are all building or moving and Arsenal have just spent the last 8 or so years struggling to pay for their new ground at the expense of squad development. Pity they didn't read this thread before wasting all those millions.
PGF - go and read about leasehold agreements as you obviously can't wrap your head around the idea. Once you've done that you either understand why we own our ground (via a mortgage) or you are a moron/wum. You pick.
I should add you can be a moron and wum if you want...
DPJ
Read my earlier comment about the greeting and cheerio your rabid fans gave Cardiff supporters at the Library. Somewhat more than a few verbals.
Read my earlier comment about the greeting and cheerio your rabid fans gave Cardiff supporters at the Library. Somewhat more than a few verbals.
Sorry I didn't really make the point about the wages properly.
Williams and Michu are attracting richer sides (I wont say bigger). In the summer their agents will say something along the lines of "Arsenal want him again, they'll pay £80k a week match it or he's not signing a deal and leaving for free or throwing his toys out of the pram".
Therefore to stand still as a successful side you'll need to massively increase that wage bill. As players develop they'll attract richer sides. If they're not wanted then you're probably not doing that well.
Something that is in your favour is how badly Sinclar and Allen have done since leaving for big money. I'd be scared of taking on one of your stars for big money after seeing those 2 fail as miserably as they have. They were both massively overpriced (great business by Jenkins).
So I agree you will probably be able to price your players out of moves as Jenkins price list doesn't represent any sort of value but keeping players happy when Arsenal and co are circling is a different matter unless you smash your pay structure and move the club forward year on year.
The reason I said 38 games is the bench mark is our home matches after Saturday will have been City, Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton (5 of last seasons top 6), Swansea and Newcastle! You have to play everyone to make a fair comparison but I said before a ball was kicked I expect us to finish below Swansea this year.
... very true - our ground was built with a stated ambition (foundations / structure) of expanding to 45,000 in due course - a city the size of Leicester (and with a county with only one league team) should be capable of attracting such attendances for top flight football - unfortunately we've never been established in the Prem long enough since the new stadium was built to even contemplate it
We don't tend to buckle under threats such as those, hence why Pratley left on a free (one player that was crucial to our way of playing), and as did Dorus (another who wanted silly wages). Players may think they are worth however much they like, but we as a club will only pay them what we think they are worth, how many times did you see us go for players who would not suit our wage budget, that we have walked away from, we won't be dictated to by agents, players and the like, the players who come here know the deal, it of course won't always work like that, but if Ash came in demanding a wage hike because another club have offered it, then we tell him where to go and run his contract out, he is currently contracted to 2015 i believe, so that is 2 years, and for someone who is 29 already, well would be just short of his 31st birthday, who will offer him 80k a week then.
The problem is people seem to think we buy a player, and that he can then dictate what he wants, if a player refuses to sign a contract with what we want to offer, then I am more than happy for them to be shown the door when their contract ends, but no sooner than that. They are after all contracted to us. Its the problem with the game, such as Rooney getting his way by dictating at United, players hold all the power, however to the best of my knowledge, we have never been put in the position that we have folded to player demands, we instead sit them on the bench, or in the reserves, or run their contracts out.
Even if the likes of Arsenal came a calling, they pay our value for a player, or they move along. We turned down Liverpool when they offered I think it was £14m for Allen (i think, i can't really remember) and £14m for Allen would have been a steal, but we didn't want to sell him. Money is not everything. But it certainly does help.
That is fair enough, it is a tough run of games, which is why I agreed with your point about it not being set in stone til after the season is over, as our current standings are based on teams we have played, which your home run has been tougher than ours, although ours hasn't been that easy either. But, I am merely repaying the favour of what we endured over on 606 during our time in the Championship
and it is a nice feeling
Increasing the capacity of a stadium is part of growing as a club, but the point being made is it is not as beneficial as some seem to believe.
There are a few factors, and clubs like us need to consider these factors. When your stadium is bigger, you may be able to sell out, but it also comes down to supply and demand. Now you could sell out a premier league game of 33k seats, but to do so you would have to drop your prices, we on the other hand have invested that money in our youth system, which in the long term will put our club in a better position, and even then we can sell our ticket prices for higher due to supply and demand, and still make just as much money.
Now lower prices serve fans well, as it means it becomes more affordable, but we are not talking about affordability for fans, we are talking about profits for a club. Now if you look at Man Utd, they have the demand, so can sell out their much bigger stadium, at a high price, same as Arsenal with their huge stadium, and high price, us smaller clubs do not have that luxury.
If you look at us and yourselves, now we class our games as cat a and b, which is £45/£35 for adults and £22.50/£17.50 for kids and oaps. That is all round the ground. So a flat figure. Your club however don't do that, you have 3 classes, and zone 4 in your stadium for example can be bought for as little as £20 for an adult.
So you may have a bigger stadium, but as you do not offer flat rates, and your highest prices are on par with us, do you really earn more money for a home game than us?
We don't tend to buckle under threats such as those, hence why Pratley left on a free (one player that was crucial to our way of playing), and as did Dorus (another who wanted silly wages). Players may think they are worth however much they like, but we as a club will only pay them what we think they are worth, how many times did you see us go for players who would not suit our wage budget, that we have walked away from, we won't be dictated to by agents, players and the like, the players who come here know the deal, it of course won't always work like that, but if Ash came in demanding a wage hike because another club have offered it, then we tell him where to go and run his contract out, he is currently contracted to 2015 i believe, so that is 2 years, and for someone who is 29 already, well would be just short of his 31st birthday, who will offer him 80k a week then.
The problem is people seem to think we buy a player, and that he can then dictate what he wants, if a player refuses to sign a contract with what we want to offer, then I am more than happy for them to be shown the door when their contract ends, but no sooner than that. They are after all contracted to us. Its the problem with the game, such as Rooney getting his way by dictating at United, players hold all the power, however to the best of my knowledge, we have never been put in the position that we have folded to player demands, we instead sit them on the bench, or in the reserves, or run their contracts out.
Even if the likes of Arsenal came a calling, they pay our value for a player, or they move along. We turned down Liverpool when they offered I think it was £14m for Allen (i think, i can't really remember) and £14m for Allen would have been a steal, but we didn't want to sell him. Money is not everything. But it certainly does help.
That is fair enough, it is a tough run of games, which is why I agreed with your point about it not being set in stone til after the season is over, as our current standings are based on teams we have played, which your home run has been tougher than ours, although ours hasn't been that easy either. But, I am merely repaying the favour of what we endured over on 606 during our time in the Championship
Pratley was never worth £15-20 mill though!
We're having 2 different arguments here though. It's the future potential of the club that is being discussed, there are plenty of ours that will debate whether we need a bigger stadium now.
Its about that new fan base and the possible evolution to established PL club, then to successful PL club, then to etc etc.
Both clubs have progressed massively and that's easy to acknowledge as "success achieved" but our owner in particular has aims way above just being in the PL. How realistic those aims are is anyone's guess and I'm not trying to have a Cardiff compared to Swansea argument.
One point I do wholeheartedly agree with is that it's essential to be able to fill those seats as there's nothing worse than too few fans bouncing around in an empty ground.
Well if that is the case Stevo, then there is no point building seats if the demand is not there, I know we have a waiting list, so there is demand for extra seats in regards to the Premier League games, so think we could up our stadium to around 25k and still sell out. But then we are currently focused on spending our money on the future of the club using different avenues, its all well and good if your stadium is big, but if your youth system is not up to scratch, as ours wasn't, then you can't grow your own future stars. Only have to look at Southampton to see what a club with a good youth system can accomplish. Not to mention the first team training facilities, which will help us with the on pitch success, which again is more important than a few extra seats in regards to the future of the club.
That is where our money is currently being invested, training for both first team and youth setups. The stadium is on the cards, but there are higher priorities, like building the foundations of a good club. Something we have been doing for the past 10 years. So why would we change that ideology when it has got us to where we are. Also if we go down, we haven't wasted money increasing a stadium that will most likely not be full at championship level, but are still able to utilise training setups throughout the club levels. And use that process to get ourselves back up.
As I have said, people focus too much on stadium sizes having an effect, there are much higher priorities when it comes to building a stable club, and seating is far from top of that list.
That is where our money is currently being invested, training for both first team and youth setups. The stadium is on the cards, but there are higher priorities, like building the foundations of a good club. Something we have been doing for the past 10 years. So why would we change that ideology when it has got us to where we are. Also if we go down, we haven't wasted money increasing a stadium that will most likely not be full at championship level, but are still able to utilise training setups throughout the club levels. And use that process to get ourselves back up.
As I have said, people focus too much on stadium sizes having an effect, there are much higher priorities when it comes to building a stable club, and seating is far from top of that list.