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Transfer Rumours Klopp's new contract!

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by moreinjuredthanowen, Jul 8, 2016.

  1. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Stats around length of time shouldn't include managers that have left of their own accord though.
     
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    What Biscan said

    And he distorts the mean therefore masks the overall reality.
     
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    If you're going to apply an average, you can't pick and choose what to include.

    Why couldn't Klopp be a Wenger and not part of this made up average then?


    PS...remember I've already could this new contract bullshit too, he already had a contract on which the ink was still bloody drying!
     
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    Benteke is an world class striker if you look at stats and ignore the likes of Aguero, Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, etc too <whistle>
     
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    Is this the average of men currently in post or all PL managers there have been?

    If the latter, why only ignore Wenger? Why not Fergie, Pulis, etc?

    If only current guys, it's a bullshit stat since they've not finished their current reign.
     
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    Current I think, it was a stat I heard being discussed on TS a few months back

    Care to name a few (barring Wenger) who've been in their current job for longer than 22 months then mate?
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

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    In maths it would be marked as an anomaly in a graph and you'd ignore it when drawing your average line <ok>
     
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    Our last manager was 40 months. Liverpool aren't responsible for the employment of managers at other clubs.
     
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    40 < 72 months

    Just saying
     
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    Except Roberto Martnez, he wanted Liverpool job but had to settle for second best.
     
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    Just saying what? Your 22 month statistic was irrelevant?
     
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    Everton's new policy is to pay a #nomark the same salary as a #worldclass manager but tell them they can only have a short contract in case they're ****

    Let's see how that goes
     
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    Never argued the point mate, just the bullshit calculation ;)
     
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    In maths, you consider all the figures before doing the calculation.
     
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    Nope, ignore the anomaly.
     
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    And all previous contributing figures or include other the "anomalies"...?
     
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  17. InBiscanWeTrust

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    If you're looking at s lot of data and it's all around say 20/21/22 then you have one of 250 you would ignore it <ok>
     
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    There are plenty of managers over the PL years that have a lot of years in one job. The obvious one being Fergie but only Wenger is ignored?

    That suggests it's based on current managers so it's not an average job life, it's the average everyone but Wenger have been in their current job.

    Point of case; it's a bullshit average OR bullshit stat. Whichever, it's bullshit.


    I'm not saying you don't ignore anomalies, I'm saying you should consider all the facts before establishing a stat. As usual, people pick and choose what to include to suit their argument.
     
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    Nope you'd say there are loads of clubs with the likes of Villa at one end with 4 months and Arsenal at the other end with 20 years so instead lets look at our own club and our own manager

    We already give more time to managers than average. If you care about Tobes' 22 months average we should have sacked Klopp after 4 months. Is that the policy you would expect FSG to follow after looking at the stats?

    Now we've got no chance of meeting the 22 month average, so how about we just admit it's not relevant to us anyway

    Klopp has been 7 years at his last 2 clubs and now he's got a contract to be 7 years here

    Don't you think the amount of time Klopp spends at clubs is more relevant to Klopp's contract than the amount of time Tim Sherwood does?
     
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  20. InBiscanWeTrust

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    My comment had nout to do with klopp or LFC, my point was if you're doing an average you normally ignore the huge anomoly like tobes has done which gerrez questioned.
     
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