Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

[realred1952]

We are borrowing unfashionable amounts of money and the lunatics have taken over the asylum as this money will never be repaid, because, even if taxes do go up, and they will, to fill another black hole that this government have created, Labour will find another scheme to spend even more and deliver less

I have tried loads of times to work out how over a period of 1 /2/3 GE's how labour manages to end up with basically nothing other than a MASSIVE black hole, like pre 2010 [ PRE 2000 ] when the coffers were flooded with £TRN'S of oil money [ had never been in coffers in such volumne before ] and selling the family silver.. yes we had a few good years and I DID VOTE in response [ not first election though ] it did take a time though 8 -10 years!! to supply zero and create the handover amount of - £trn's

TORIES SORTED IT BY 2019 THOUGH

What have we had train drivers/ NHS EXCEPTED [ THEY HAD MASSIVE RISES ] .. JOE PUBLIC he has had a deficit! AND only just in 1 year we are wallowing in a boat full of holes and no pumps in sight.

our PM has become a laughing stock, partly subdued, well actually heavily shielded from attention due to other worldly events taking the limelight.

if there is to be tax increases my hope is they up the starting point to something closer to £16K then start the first band at 25/26p and higher rate 46p then highest rate at 65p+

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Even if you give Labour the benefit of the doubt in that they did inherit a ‘black hole’ of £18bn, that’s now nearly trebled in a year due to their reckless spending and failure to cut costs whilst stifling any prospects of economic growth, hiking taxes with more rises to come, and alienating large swathes of society in the process
They have no robust policies and no clue about anything

 

[realred1952]

Even if you give Labour the benefit of the doubt in that they did inherit a ‘black hole’ of £18bn, that’s now nearly trebled in a year due to their reckless spending

the majority of fiscal wizards seemingly find it hard to support a BLACKHOLE of anything like £18,000,000,000 ....... what the odd one or 2 have said it was forward thinking.... Labour had a plan! ..it was to support and prolong strikes rail/ nhs then come to power as was always expected!!! and settle the rail and nhs pay demands ...thus giving them "a good face" however to do it they had no money! so re invented the one thing they handed tories in 2010, problem was the blackhole thing was something they had to make!!!!!!!!!!! just 2 month's into the fiscal year and tax reciepts being adjusted etc etc "you cant say there is a deficit" ...
BIT like starting a new job and having to wait for your first month's salary!

 

[realred1952]

BBC INVESTIGATION has led to the arrest of one of the minions of a people smuggling gang.. over the past few days various sources have condemned them for giving the smugglers £1200!
Amazing the BEEB can track down and highlight the gangs and lead to an arrest ... the first of many no doubt in that chain
2 tier's smash the gangs ................ ????????????????

 

[Angelicnumber16]

BBC INVESTIGATION has led to the arrest of one of the minions of a people smuggling gang.. over the past few days various sources have condemned them for giving the smugglers £1200!
Amazing the BEEB can track down and highlight the gangs and lead to an arrest ... the first of many no doubt in that chain
2 tier's smash the gangs ................ ????????????????

Same as it was amazing that the French police managed to puncture a dinghy being launched towards el dorado when there was a British news crew there filming

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Will be interesting to see how the Police deal with these (banned as a terrorist organisation) Palestine Action protests given that they are supposedly being joined y the eco zealots of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion

By rights they should be arrested and jailed swiftly if they are Palestine Action. The others will be there just to be lawless and cause the sensible public to hate them even more than they currently do

Yet another **** show that Starmer and all the other out of touch Westminster Bubble types have brought upon themselves is about to happen

He called people far right and thugs for what happened in Southport. Let’s see if he calls this rabble, if they cause trouble, far left thugs. He started this stupid narrative and needs to be consistent

It will be very interesting to see how it’s handled as they can’t arrest and jail them all, meanwhile local Police are being taken away from their jobs to man this nonsense

The country is sick of this government, sick of a 2 tier society, and sick of immigration

We punish the law abiding and tax them out of existence, yet reward literally everyone else who wants hand outs, and people have simply had enough of being ignored, and Labour simply don’t seem to know right from wrong.

Even on recognising a Palestine state, Starmer has got it 1000% wrong with one US diplomat saying we would have finished as runners up if Starmer had been in charge during World War II !!

 

[realred1952]

Over the weekend LIEBOUR PASSED 50,361 CHANNEL CROSSINGS ... in fact the number so far in their 2nd year of mayhem is 5438 [ both figures are "known" numbers ] the first 4 weeks [10/7 - 10/8/2025 has seen an average of 1360 per week ........... projected to a year = 70,694!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cost so far is around £8,000,000,000 pa + background costs

 

[realred1952]

40 days into the 2nd year and the number having crossed is 6682 [ /40 = 168 daily ] thats just taxi'ed in by border force or life boats [ a charitable organization manned by volunteers!! ] 51605 since July 4th 2024
COST board and lodgings plus freebies and pocket money = circa £4,000,000,000 pa

number deported last couple of weeks?? zero! ?

 

[Redprintt]

Shocking.........or are we becoming used to 2tier justice.
The Labour councillor has been found not guilty of inciting violence when he gestured a finger across the the throat to right wing demonstrators or 'nazis' as he called them.
90 days in prison for a tweet about asylum hotels and freedom if you're a left wing supporter of Starmer.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Shocking.........or are we becoming used to 2tier justice.
The Labour councillor has been found not guilty of inciting violence when he gestured a finger across the the throat to right wing demonstrators or 'nazis' as he called them.
90 days in prison for a tweet about asylum hotels and freedom if you're a left wing supporter of Starmer.

Of course he’s not guilty
Not under the Stasii
Asking for peoples throats to be cut is a perfectly reasonable thing to say at at anti racism rally
He means white prople, which I see as being racist !

 

[realred1952]

INFLATION UP AGAIN CPI AND RPI in tatters with BOE needing 2 votes to reduce BAN RATE BUT EXPECT 4% BY november AND EVERYONE PAYING MORE TAX TO BOOT...£15,000,000,000 PA FOR BOAT PEOPLE and even higher figure for others joining them sneaking in via other boats/ lorries /etc..........RATTLESNAKE is really going down as the bank clerk with no clue in history books

 

[Angelicnumber16]

This whole Government are the worst I’ve ever experienced

I despise every one of them

Useless, grabbing, ill informed, spiteful, deceitful, dangerous, unqualified, lying, poisonous, cheating, two faced, liberal nobodies

Get them out, and let’s give a Government a chance that are actually on the side of the British people not the blob, the WEF and the rest of the worlds problems

Everything in this country and all its institutions and practices need tearing down and rebuilding from the ground up, but with morals and common sense this time around

 

[realred1952]

LIES L I E S & even more L I E S ...

Liebour is facing fresh pressure over the migrant crisis after new shocking figures were released this morning from Home Office data....................
We are decreasing the number of illegals in hotels in first full year of LIEBOUR . GOV UP 8% TO 32,059 [ WELL OVER £2,000,000,000 PER ANNUM just hotel cost ]
number of claimants [ not dwindling downward ] is a new all time record 111084 in first full year of LIEBOR.GOV

we have deported over 30,000!!!! ....." . And small boat deportations are down by 7% to 2,330 in the 12-month period."

32,089 in tents in a couple of fields somewhere in .............!!!!! ............

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Farage asked a question in an interview at the start of the week... is the Government on immigrants side or the side of the British people? Yesterday the government answered. They are appealing the courts decision which was to stop housing immigrants in that hotel in Epping. The government therefore has chosen the side of immigrants.

The majority of those which has been deported (Labour say over 30k) are those who were here already on visa's that have expired, like student visa's for example. Those figures are made to look like its those crossing over on boats that have been deported. The lies and twisting of stories and figures to make them look good and doing 'something' is being seen and won't be forgotten.

And as for the 'black hole' that Labour claim they inherited (they say £22billion each week at PMQ's), that 'apparently' was after they accepted all the pay rises to stop the train strikes and NHS strikes. Labour added this to the much smaller 'black hole' (reportedly £7billion at the time) to make it £22billion because they blame the Tories for the strikes.

 

[realred1952]

The majority of those which has been deported (Labour say over 30k)

CJS ...THE TRUE and they are .gov figures is in the post above 2330 considering almost 52000 have crossed from JULY 5TH 2024 to 22nd August 2025 it is but a drop in the ocean.

It has been well reported in certain circles that 2 TIER GRANNY HARMER and his dumpkin minions take and assume the BRITISH PUBLIC [FAMILY TIES LIVING HERE 4 GENERATIONS+ ] are thicko's and wont understand the non truth's among the blankets of LIES.

NOTE...... .gov figures average £5.77m a day for hotels but state 32000+ in them but say a hotel that normally charges in excess of £200 PN IS COSTING £81 PN! also state AVE cost per day of hotels and number involved means they paying them £2,592,000 [the migrants] extras worth £99 per day?

or cant simply tell the truth from all their lies .do the math's

 

[realred1952]

close to 1 million people have signed the latest CALL an election now! and other signs of unrest are the streets becoming full of St Georges flags, and UNION Jacks! zebra crossings AND DONUT ROUNDABOUTS having the red cross emblazoned.
protests are growing and everyday "left hand not doing/knowing righthand " SCENARIO'S ARE BEING POSTED!!!!!!!!!

The 4 main .gov mouthpeices 1 male and 3 female! keep on spouting the untruth's and the various .gov ministries keep poring out the truth's [ we have deported 30,000 .gov ministry states just over 3000!etc etc see other post]

IMHO we are SCREWED... LIEBOUR has put us in a very deep hole.. far bigger than the invented £20,000,000,000 BLACKHOLE IN WEEK 1 JULY 2024! ..so a new GE AND WHO TO VOTE FOR!

Liebour ........... well, they would need a new leader, but who? NO ONE it looks like to fit the bill, the default is AR, ANOTHER PARTY ELECTION PROCESS TO ELECT ONE OR THE DEPUTY WOULD HAPPEN!

Tory ... however you look at it Kemi is better than they have, and Tories have a better choice of cabinet ministers etc .... and .... have not actually given anything away regarding "plans" so manifesto would be close to chest!

Reform .... Nigel, true Brit! but is that enough! Would be a very weak .gov with a lack of real parliamentary skills!

Lib dems .... Sir ED ... means well and useful as he does have the odd moment spotting "something"

Others ..... just that.....................

S O ............ ????? ........HUNG PARLIAMENT....... ????? ..................... MAIN BATTLE would be TORY AND REFORM??? WITH THE SPOILER BEING LIB DEMS?????? I DONT believe 2 Tier granny harmer if staying the 5 years will pull us around to actually be votable option! He could go down as the worst PM in history, [ no matter what likey has that title! already ] and the destroyer of the labour party??

result most seats = tory then lib dems then reform then labour = then ??? snp/ greens / others! % wise of seats??? TORIES CIRCA 240+ LIBDEMS 120+ REFORM 120+ SNP 40+ OTHERS 115 ........... MAJORITY IS 326. BEST COALITION = 360 .......

 

[Angelicnumber16]

People are finally waking up to the fact that no Government over the past 30 years gives a toss about the people of this country and the citizens who were born here

Sod the Labour Party, you only need to look at the chaos and unrest they’ve caused in a year

Sod the Tories, 14 years of lies, infighting and not being conservative until it was too late plus allowing untold millions of immigrants legal and illegal that have choked out systems and local councils

Sod the Greens and the Libetals, a total waste of a vote

Reform are the only option that offer any hope of what the majority of people in this country want - the desire for REAL change, and trying to end the mess we are in, and not putting the rest of the world with their mediaeval cultures in front of our proud history and needs and spaffing billions on net zero and foreign add

They may not be the answer as time goes by, but we’re all heartily sick of the other uni parties not doing nearly enough

Fly the Union Jack or the flag of St George
Rip down all flags of Palestine which isn’t even a real country

Detain and deport anyone who isn’t supposed to be here, change the laws, leave the ECHR
Whatever it takes - let’s do it whilst ripping apart the unfit for purpose Home Office and stopping charities that enable what the people of this country are sick of

if Jenrick was the Tory leader I might have a conflict of interest but he’s not. Kemi isn’t a good leader, she’s in the ‘let’s do it all again’ brigade like Johnson and Sunak

No conviction just more empty words

Meanwhile the skanky Rayner buys another £800k flat despite already having 2 others
Some socialist !

Vote Reform ! It’s the only choice next time, before it’ really is too late

 

[realred1952]

a nice rant........lol!

i will concur with a small part of it but whilst that is the headline problems which Reform mighyt get aggressive with [ illegals & losing our identity ] it is only a small part of running / being able to run a .gov! and a very small part!!!!

to be really honest if we could go back to January 2020 and do a sci fi trick .... stop the world and come back to October 2023 ... in other words that 47 month's never happened and it was all a bad dream!!!! we would not be in a mess now, but of course we all know time lies are straight and what happens is irreversible....... but hind sight should be a good guide!........... although hasnt been for Liebour because they dont have a mindset capable of making plans that work..............

 

[Redprintt]

89,000 job losses in the Hospitality sector alone since Rachel's budget last October. Industry chief says it's as bad now as the Covid pandemic.
Tories were/are useless and Labour is even worse.
It's no wonder Reform are miles ahead in the polls.

 

[realred1952]

89,000 job losses in the Hospitality sector alone since Rachel's budget last October. Industry chief says it's as bad now as the Covid pandemic.
Tories were/are useless and Labour is even worse.
It's no wonder Reform are miles ahead in the polls.

When like yourself you are a labourite ? [stbc] through and through it is easy to compare one on face stats rather than the truth!
your argument is based on hospitality sector and very unbalanced. LIEBOUR is due to taxation and economy Tory was due to covid and the recovery period [ a lot of people didnt have money after covid 2020/2022 then energy crisis!].
whilst I can see Reform has a part to play at the moment in future politics wheter they are caple of multi multi tasking avenues I am far from being sure...
There are likely around 800 / 900 people likely make a good MP...PROBABLY less than 2-300 able to govern! [ cabinets etc ]
At a GE you need around 4000 candidates for main parties about 4500 adding independants!

IN the last GE Liebour fronted some 200+ wannabee's [ usually no hopers / local party worker ] unfortunately well over 100+ got elected!

ADD IN REFORM and you are looking to find another 600-650 that is around 5000 +++ of which likely irrespective of party 1-200 likely no hopers to actually sit at top table!