Joe and PTF quibble over semantics!?

Hindsight is tricky business. If it weren't for his investment they could be in League One for all we know. I know Lerner's money was largely wasted but it seems unlikely they'd have ended up in a better position without any of it. I think it's a pretty safe bet you'll be better off with £300m of investment than without. Even if it only adds a fiver to the clubs value, it's still increased the value, regardless of how terrible an investment that makes it.

 

hindsight is what we have.

lerner's £300m is gone.

he can't sell what he wasted.

a club that is in a worse position than us is for sale for £200m.

 

It's not worth less just because it finished in a lower league position last season. I'll also be massively surprised if it goes for that much. As I said, if it does sell for £200m, you'll be seeing it in Forbes' most valuable clubs in the world list next year.

Also you're assuming the whole 300 was wasted again. Most of it, sure. All of it, highly debatable.

 

it's not worth more because £300m went down the toilet.

are you making up lists?

I'm going to assume nothing is there if there is no evidence to support it. As such I assess what Villa have as a result. That is a squad that is not the envy of the rest of the league, A stadium that is bigger but predominantly unfilled in its excess relative to our limit, and an infrastructure that I believe has not been significantly invested in for a minimum of four years.

 

Uh, again, it didn't.

Are you doing a PTF? They do a list, whatever they call it. Look it up.

For starters he spent about £100m wiping out a bunch of debt. Did that or did that not help them? He also bought players; those are rather self-evident. What you don't have evidence for is what sort of a position they could be in had he never bought them in 2006. You can say that what they're left with was not worth investing £300m in, but you have absolutely no basis in saying that not a pound of that investment has shown a return.

 

Are you ****ing serious?

 

Wanna take this outside?!

(Quick, someone make the thread.)

 

you're assuming it didn't.

I see nothing of value after the fact which makes them more valuable than pre-lerner. You seem to be simply extrapolating money spent to assume that a net improvement happened as a result.

Reality? the money in football skyrocketed and everything in the premier league is now worth many times more than when lerner started.

I can't say i'm surprised tbh. There's enough stupid lists about that people are convinced KL is worth £3bn without any evidence to support it.

that's a reasonable argument. assuming that is correct then we assume debt free villa was worth what, £160m when he started?

it doesn't matter what players he bought in the meantime. it matters what level he started with and what level he finished with. I'm not going to pay more for your club because you had messi on a five year contract mid-term but he left on a bosman this summer.

It doesn't matter what they would have been worth in a parallel universe. Villa are approximately where they were in the pecking order when he bought them. The squad is not noticeably worth better in relation to their peers than when he started.

the only consideration over whether the club is worth more now than when he bought as a result of the investment it is whether the facilities have improved in relation to its peers.

otherwise you simply tread water.

 

I like the juxtaposition of the uncharacteristic "****ing" with the also uncharacteristic "" face. I can't tell if you're angry or not.

 

I'm not, just hurt.

 

Love you Dan.

 

Are you saying you don't get bogged down in semantics? I'd debate that with you, but I worry you'll get bogged down in semantics.

 

I can't wait for everyone else to jump on you for putting words in my mouth...

Occasionally I do, sure. I wouldn't say I'm the only one though, or that I do it enough to have it named after me!

 

I'm not sure how to feel about the sleepy face.

 

He's not putting words in your mouth, he's asking you for clarification. Semantics you see, dear sir.

 

Oh, please. If you really think that's equivalent, PM me and I'll tell you why it isn't.

 

*insert head shake smilie*

 

Is that a chihuahua?

 

Well not compared to, like, Peter Hitchens or someone like that, but out of everyone on here...

 

It's actually a tiny little yorkshire terrier, and I'm more than willing to fight about that.