January transfer thread

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Daz said:
Disgraceful from Speakman if that is true mind. I’d understand his thinking a bit if there was no way the player wanted to stay but that doesn’t appear to be the case from the outside.

Also I ****ing hate football agents, they serve a purpose but come across as absolute parasites.
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There is no evidence of him wanting to sell, other than someone saying it on here
 
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We will know a lot more about the owners commitment and plans for the future at the end of January.

There was as we all recall some smoke and mirrors about club ownership that had to be cleared up.

We should have an inkling as what the 'sustainable model' is, by our sales and purchases.
 
Daz said:
Disgraceful from Speakman if that is true mind. I’d understand his thinking a bit if there was no way the player wanted to stay but that doesn’t appear to be the case from the outside.

Also I ****ing hate football agents, they serve a purpose but come across as absolute parasites.
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It's not personal but it's his masterplan. His model. He makes all the calls.
 
If the plan is to sell for £10 million and then use some of that money to buy 3 players who will be better why doesn’t the buying club go and get these 3 better players and save some money.
The buying club will be a premiership club or Rangers so their scouting networks should be better than ours.
If it’s so easy for us to do a Brentford (see earlier post on Brentford’s successful business) then surely every club could do it.

I’m not looking forward to us selling any of our players as soon as they start playing well.
Will we be losing Clarke, Cirkin, Pritchard, Neil, Patterson, Alese, Michut, Ba and others if they improve.
If we sell Stewart for £10 million I doubt we will get any adequate replacement even if we spent the whole fee because of his all round game where he brings much more than his goals.
 
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Prehab26 said:
It's not personal but it's his masterplan. His model. He makes all the calls.
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What is the end game then once we do get to the premier league ? The Brighton , Brentford model works but eventually it won't and it only takes one bad window of recruitment to go down . I know i'm thinking far down the line but will it be a case of they are more interested in making a profit on player sales then actually winning something in our life times ?
 
Charley Farley said:
If the plan is to sell for £10 million and then use some of that money to buy 3 players who will be better why doesn’t the buying club go and get these 3 better players and save some money.
The buying club will be a premiership club or Rangers so their scouting networks should be better than ours.
If it’s so easy for us to do a Brentford (see earlier post on Brentford’s successful business) then surely every club could do it.

I’m not looking forward to us selling any of our players as soon as they start playing well.
Will we be losing Clarke, Cirkin, Pritchard, Neil, Patterson, Alese, Michut, Ba and others if they improve.
If we sell Stewart for £10 million I doubt we will get any adequate replacement even if we spent the whole fee because of his all round game where he brings much more than his goals.
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I've said similar so many times I'm boring myself. We are much more on the front foot when he plays due to his work rate and hassling the opposition. You won't get many strikers that will do the work he does over 90 minutes. I don't think we replace that!
 
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Mackem 10.1 said:
There is no evidence of him wanting to sell, other than someone saying it on here
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Yeah that’s why i said “if that’s true”, I take everything with a massive pinch of salt on here…merely saying it would be **** if true.
 
Charley Farley said:
If the plan is to sell for £10 million and then use some of that money to buy 3 players who will be better why doesn’t the buying club go and get these 3 better players and save some money.
The buying club will be a premiership club or Rangers so their scouting networks should be better than ours.
If it’s so easy for us to do a Brentford (see earlier post on Brentford’s successful business) then surely every club could do it.

I’m not looking forward to us selling any of our players as soon as they start playing well.
Will we be losing Clarke, Cirkin, Pritchard, Neil, Patterson, Alese, Michut, Ba and others if they improve.
If we sell Stewart for £10 million I doubt we will get any adequate replacement even if we spent the whole fee because of his all round game where he brings much more than his goals.
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Yeah I get that is the clubs new model but he is the one player who if we lost him it could massively jeopardise our league position…we have trundled along ok without him but the conversion rate is awful when he isn’t in the team.
 
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Lozza80 said:
What is the end game then once we do get to the premier league ? The Brighton , Brentford model works but eventually it won't and it only takes one bad window of recruitment to go down . I know i'm thinking far down the line but will it be a case of they are more interested in making a profit on player sales then actually winning something in our life times ?
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If we keep recruiting young talent that know they will get first team football, I would imagine we would eventually end up buying players with massive potential.

e.g if this had happened a few years back then Bellingham before he goes to Dortmund, Haaland before he goes to Red Bull Salzberg etc.
 
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7Mackem78 said:
If we keep recruiting young talent that know they will get first team football, I would imagine we would eventually end up buying players with massive potential.

e.g if this had happened a few years back then Bellingham before he goes to Dortmund, Haaland before he goes to Red Bull Salzberg etc.
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As much as it will be gutting to lose exciting players, the aim (like you say) is to replace them with even more exciting players. Then we can enjoy and encourage the new ones.
 
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IF we get an offer that is to good to turn down then Stewart will be away, whilst he will be difficult to replace, we haven't done to bad with Simms and I'm sure we will have some options lined up.

This will have been discussed with the board and plans will be in place for either outcome.

As I've said before, it will only take Stewart to go and 2 or 3 bad results and the atmosphere will really turn, you can see it building on social media already.

If Stewart does go, Speakman will cop all the blame, I still don't really understand why so many can't stand him
 
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smithy in nl said:
Imo Ross is class but ****ing hell lads we will be alright if he leaves. People going on like the club would fold if he leaves.

just enjoy the ride and don’t stress over **** that you have zero control over.
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Exactly, folk having a go at Speakman for no reason - just because someone has said Speakman wants to sell him. If he goes he goes, we are moving in the right direction thanks to Speakman
 
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Flash Gordon said:
We won't get a like for like Stewart replacement, that's just the way it is.

Brentford are the perfect example of how this works.

In 2014 they paid £950k for Scott Hogan from Rochdale. 22 years old and had just scored 17 goals in League Two. Not a household name. 2 years later, they sold him (by this time their top scorer) to Villa for £9.5m. They weren't able to bring in a player who could provide the same goal threat that Hogan had, so they invested in 2 younger players instead.

21 year old Ollie Watkins (£6.5m from a League 2 club) was the main replacement - Hogan scored more goals in the Championship the year he was sold than Watkins scored in League 2. They spent the other £2m in an unknown 20 year old French lad who wasn't cutting it in the Saint Etienne team (Neal Maupay).

Maupay did well and was sold 2 years later for £15m. Watkins took 3 seasons of continuous improvement but eventually became a player that Villa paid £33m for.

When Brentford lost their main striker Maupay, they didn't spend £15m on a replacement or break the bank to try and get him to stay. They spent the money on 4 players - 19 year old Bryan Mbeumo, Ethan Pinnock, David Raya and Christian Norgaard.

When Watkins left (the same time as Benrahma) for a combined £60m, they spent less than £10m. Not on someone who had proven themselves in the Premier League or Championship. They spent it on 23 year old League One striker Ivan Toney.

Brentford didn't just sell their star striker once and replace them with someone less proven, they did it 3 times and also in multiple other areas of the pitch. The point being that selling Stewart won't be the end of the club and anyone we bring in needs to be given time. That's what the model is all about.
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That’s a tremendous post Flash.
Cap doffed mate.
 
Robertson said:
If the last January window is anything to go by, it could be an intriguing one again. We did some sterling business last time.

Did we sell any players last January? I can’t remember.


Good points there mate. At least with those running the club now, when we do sell it will be for a large fee rather than accepting anything going.
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I think its going to take a good few year and several transfer windows to really see what the people in charge are all about mate. We will wait and see. I'm sure Crystal Palace wanted to take it slow then were promoted "By accident" as Mr Holloway once famously said.
 
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Scout73 said:
Especially when it comes from someone who cant stand Speakman and regularly moans about him
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Been a long time since I mentioned him. Not saying it's an awful move I am just saying it's his call.

Not worth people being over dramatic about it
 
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